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The ‘problem’ here isn’t the planners or the planning committee both of whom are constrained by the legislation and the policies either in the strategic plan or relating to registered buildings and conservation areas.

The politicians can if they choose change the laws and the policies (or remove a conservation area designation) or change the criteria for what gets registered. They haven’t done so and it isn’t on the Island Plan to do so and might risk Biosphere renewal if they did.

But Alf banging his fist on the table in this case about officers not disapplying law and policy for rich people after the governance / rogue officers issues in Ranson isn’t exactly setting the right tone to lead the officers on a changed path. If he and and the rest of those Ministers want to change something then make it a priority instead of something else (rather than add it’s as another priority).

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46 minutes ago, ian rush said:

The ‘problem’ here isn’t the planners or the planning committee both of whom are constrained by the legislation and the policies either in the strategic plan or relating to registered buildings and conservation areas.

The politicians can if they choose change the laws and the policies (or remove a conservation area designation) or change the criteria for what gets registered. They haven’t done so and it isn’t on the Island Plan to do so and might risk Biosphere renewal if they did.

But Alf banging his fist on the table in this case about officers not disapplying law and policy for rich people after the governance / rogue officers issues in Ranson isn’t exactly setting the right tone to lead the officers on a changed path. If he and and the rest of those Ministers want to change something then make it a priority instead of something else (rather than add it’s as another priority).

To be fair, the planners didn’t follow their own rules and standing orders in the Newsons saga from what I’ve heard and it’s all going to come out in the wash.

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Just now, NoTailT said:

To be fair, the planners didn’t follow their own rules and standing orders in the Newsons saga from what I’ve heard and it’s all going to come out in the wash.

More likely to become another lump in the lumpy carpet!

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3 hours ago, Andy Onchan said:
3 hours ago, quilp said:

That creased me up 😄

 

6 hours ago, Two-lane said:

When does the spin cycle start?

Don't worry, it'll all be ironed out in the end.

Fuck sakes. Stop it, you'll have my ticker going.

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21 hours ago, manxfisherman said:

The advantage of the MDC is that they could develop something the island actually needs whereas commercial developers build things that sell.

Sorry for the long post but I am off out and needed to say it all at once 🙂 

I have a very simple rule of thumb regarding our islands government's "policy's"

I look around the near islands and look around the wider worlds first world countries.

Can we find a similar government owned and funded (Forget the arms length bull, its a gov department staffed by civil servants) entity that is doing the same sort of property development ???   NO YOU CAN'T

I stand to be corrected but I Can't find a similar funded organisation with the same goals ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD

It may not be in competition with the big developers on the island, at the moment, but if it develops as normal gov departments do - expand to justify more staff, more budget and a bigger ego for some  higher CS, then it will at some point piss off the developers. 

As I said earlier in this thread, these brownfield sites, that no one wants to develop, are only not being developed because the gov/ landowners/ manx establishment/  think they are worth far more than they are.

The MDC,  LOOKS LIKE A WAY OF GETTING CERTAIN LANDOWNERS IN BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE OWNERSHIP FAR MORE MONEY FOR THEIR LAND THAN IT IS ACTUALLY WORTH.

Calling @ChrisThomas,

Please explain why a "vibrant economy" like the IOM's is needs to resort to government run and bottomless funded  departments to develop Brownfield  sites?

In the UK such sites are either gifted or gifted with funds to develop to the private sector from local authority/ councils and the like.

That works and it stops things like the old summerland site sitting like a bomb site for decades, same with the old bus station site, same with the old prison site etc etc etc etc 

@Chris Thomas, why do you think a bunch of people in the CS with no commercial experience of property development, never mind actual building, will be able to do this better than the likes of Dandara, Hartford, Kell Properties and the like?????

Sorry again for the long post, I am off out

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36 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said:

Sorry for the long post but I am off out and needed to say it all at once 🙂 

I have a very simple rule of thumb regarding our islands government's "policy's"

I look around the near islands and look around the wider worlds first world countries.

Can we find a similar government owned and funded (Forget the arms length bull, its a gov department staffed by civil servants) entity that is doing the same sort of property development ???   NO YOU CAN'T

I stand to be corrected but I Can't find a similar funded organisation with the same goals ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD

Except you can. Not so far away. You are corrected. 

https://www.jerseydevelopment.je

Projects done in last 10 years.

https://indd.adobe.com/view/183f18e6-0701-408d-a13f-02536a3c59c9

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