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6 minutes ago, Omobono said:

As we are out of the EU  now  we should be introducing our own incentives  for farmers  to grow more , especially more vegetables , cereals ,    there is a massive salad and greens market here . which no one is currently catering for , lancashire  is full of polly tunnels even had some strawberries from there last week   and   with all the horses on the Island most of their food could be locally grown , time for a change in agriculture , if the New Zealanders can manage without subsidy  then the Isle of Man should look to see what they have been doing 

lets get rid of these schemes where the landowner  is the prime  winner  paid for doing nothing   , and not the poor young farmer trying to make a living and a start in life , 

 

 

You are spot on. There is definitely a market for fresh grown vegetables and fruit, we shouldn’t be eating imported foods  when we have empty fields and can grow our own. There is so much missed opportunity here . Where it can bring health create jobs and wealth . Local fresh food on our tables and in our schools  

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You lot don't get it do you. This is the Isle of Man. We can get all the food we need from the supermarket. Who needs farms and fields?

Land is for building houses on. Lots of them. It's good for the economy and good for Tesco. Build lots and lots of houses and make sure there are some tagged "first time buyers" and that, and Dan and all the rest of them like landowners and farmers won't starve. Houses first folks. Lots of them. You know it makes sense.

37 minutes ago, Manx17 said:

It’s a nice little earner. Sitting on land whilst getting tax payers money until the highest bidder comes in.  

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Johnny F said:

There used to be a couple of farms growing fruit, and guess what they didn't close because they were making too much money ! Not enough people buy local, they all want cheap shit from Tesco.

Well the likes of Tesco M&S etc, should be made to sell local food source if they want to have a business and trade here. The government can and could of done more than hand over tax payers money. Obviously there are veg and fruit that can’t be produced here . But what can and is in season here should be in all food stores. Just like bread and milk is . There is no excuses to why we can not produce more locally. They spend a fortune on swimming pools and sports, what goes into our bodies should be as important. We haven’t got a clue what chemicals are on the veg or fruit in supermarkets or how they are stored before they get here. 

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2 hours ago, Johnny F said:

A farmer wins a million pounds on the lottery, his neighbour asks him what he's going to do with all the money, he replies "oh I'll just keep farming till its all gone" An old but very true joke.

An expert in his field that fella. 

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59 minutes ago, Manx17 said:

Well the likes of Tesco M&S etc, should be made to sell local food source if they want to have a business and trade here. The government can and could of done more than hand over tax payers money. Obviously there are veg and fruit that can’t be produced here . But what can and is in season here should be in all food stores. Just like bread and milk is . There is no excuses to why we can not produce more locally. They spend a fortune on swimming pools and sports, what goes into our bodies should be as important. We haven’t got a clue what chemicals are on the veg or fruit in supermarkets or how they are stored before they get here. 

If you want to go back to slugs on your lettuce and leeks, poor quality control and inappropriate storage then fair enough. Could our few existing farmers produce enough of the same standard to meet demand? Maybe, after being handed taxpayer incentives to expand their existing output to meet any increase in demand but it would be a gamble from the start. Possibly ending up costing the taxpayer more, at least in the short-term. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the idea but hurdles exist. The biggest being the forcing of the supermarkets to sell Manx produce. Couldn't see that happening on principle. tesco weren't exactly champing at the bit to sell Manx meat and they're a bit too big to push around.

Actually, we do have a good idea which chemicals are on our fruit and veg, both being subject to regulated storage and quality-control measures, the information is online. Manx farmers would likely use the very same fungi/pesticides anyway, why wouldn't they? How are the levels of irridation, selenium and other contaminants in our soils doing anyway?

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6 hours ago, Manx17 said:

Well the likes of Tesco M&S etc, should be made to sell local food source if they want to have a business and trade here. The government can and could of done more than hand over tax payers money. Obviously there are veg and fruit that can’t be produced here . But what can and is in season here should be in all food stores. Just like bread and milk is . There is no excuses to why we can not produce more locally. They spend a fortune on swimming pools and sports, what goes into our bodies should be as important. We haven’t got a clue what chemicals are on the veg or fruit in supermarkets or how they are stored before they get here. 

How have government handed over taxpayers' money? 

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7 hours ago, CallMeCurious said:

We have lots of land sitting idle doing nothing whilst we have food poverty.

What do you mean 'idle'? I'm curious what you expect to see? Oddly plants grow in their natural season as do animals. I'd advise you to look up the word fallow and understand that plants and animals are not machines. There are periods to work and harvest and periods to let the land recover.

Unless of course you mean why haven't they built super animal factories to produce cheap meat and eggs, grubbed out the hedgerows to get larger fields for cereal crops so we can have cheap bread.

Look at the price of a local loaf of bread (Ramsey Bakery or artisan) and compare it with what is imported.

If you had ever worked on a farm you'd see there is a lot that goes into it day in day out. 7 days a week.

As for the good old days of vans coming around the houses... they never had the range of food that modern families expect nay demand. 

Speak to anyone who was around during or just after the war years. The rationing only fully ended 1954.  Have you ever tried spuds and salted herring? 

Try gardening and growing your own food for a bit and you'll learn something interesting and have something to show for it.  

Well put. I live in south-west Cornwall, an area which is heavily into vegetable production. The fields around me have winter cover, will be planted with cabbage in April. Not a great deal of veg can be kept for more than a month without a freezer, and not all veg can be frozen.

Then there's economy of scale - my local farmer (Trebah) specialises in Cabbage and Brassica, he farms ~ 1,000 acres and the machinery he owns costs a fortune. You'd need the same for just 50 acres on the island, often this isn't practical.

At the moment the workers are tending to hedges and drainage, fields will be prepared in March (we're a bit ahead of the Island season-wise).

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7 hours ago, Manx17 said:

You are spot on. There is definitely a market for fresh grown vegetables and fruit, we shouldn’t be eating imported foods  when we have empty fields and can grow our own. There is so much missed opportunity here . Where it can bring health create jobs and wealth . Local fresh food on our tables and in our schools  

At the usual obscene Manx local prices?

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57 minutes ago, Manx17 said:

Farm land oweners are given subsidies all the time. 

But what have the subsidies got to do with Tesco selling local produce?  Two completely different issues. It looked like you were intimating that government, somehow, were paying the supermarkets.

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21 minutes ago, Gladys said:

But what have the subsidies got to do with Tesco selling local produce?  Two completely different issues. It looked like you were intimating that government, somehow, were paying the supermarkets.

I was answering someone who stated that there were fruit farms here and I said the government should be helping getting locally grown food into shops instead of giving land owners tax payers money. But your right I didn’t word it properly. 
the whole point being we have land here doing absolutely nothing and people are going hungry or using food banks, when truthfully fresh food should be in abundance. 

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1 hour ago, Gladys said:

But what have the subsidies got to do with Tesco selling local produce?  Two completely different issues. It looked like you were intimating that government, somehow, were paying the supermarkets.

Indirectly they are. The same way that supermarkets are supported by the government indirectly through income support. 

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