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My Ma had it worked out with the Izal. Before the usually cautious wipe, if one furiously rubbed 2 sheets of the paper together for 10 seconds it softened things up nicely.

I did this once, in the public loo's at the end of Allan Street, the Corpy being fond of Izal. After a noisy and breathy rubbing, there came a soft knock on the door...🤔🤭

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14 minutes ago, John Wright said:

The biggest campaign apart from the political fights between broad left and moderates, for 3 years, was soft loo paper rather than Izal medicated in the SU loos. 1974-8

Yep remember all that. At our place (in Socialist Democratic Republic of South Yorkshire) they soon moved on to glorifying IRA bombers and naming the SU after Nelson Mandela.

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The main controversy in my time happened when the Woman's Office put out a leaflet on consent in relationships. It would not be that remarkable now - you know the kind of thing "no means no", "it's not ok to get someone pissed to shag them" and "don't use wealth or position to get what you want".  I don't think it was expressed very well. The Student paper was run by a mature student in his 40's/50's and had quite a ladsy environment and they took the last bit to mean "If you buy a girl flowers and then sleep with her that's rape" and that was the front page. This got picked up by the local paper and there was a snippet in the Daily Mail about political correctness going mad.

The Woman's Officer faced a vote of no confidence from the Rugby Club and the editor faced one from the Woman's Soc. There was a big kerfuffle, but everyone ended up keeping their jobs. But I actually learned a lot about the issues I was oblivious to during the course of the debates. I guess the two SU officers involved learned something about the presentation of ideas. And isn't that part of what University is about - student campaigners will make mistakes and go too far, but that's part of the learning process. Better they learn it then than when they're on a local education authority or their County Council or are Minster for Health in the Isle of Man. 

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45 minutes ago, Chinahand said:

An example of hate speech successfully removed from society. 

Can anyone really take this seriously and not see it as a typical example of virtue signalling?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-59981811

Dr Pritchard is probably not going to like this one either, on several counts.

The Mystery of the Brown Dwarf

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1 hour ago, Chinahand said:

An example of hate speech successfully removed from society. 

Can anyone really take this seriously and not see it as a typical example of virtue signalling?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-59981811

 

 

20 minutes ago, quilp said:

It's a bit more than just virtue-signalling China. 

It’s nothing more than pragmatic economic realism. Why waste management time and risk reputational damage on what might be a long offensive. Just cave and give in. I don’t necessarily approve, but I understand why.

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8 hours ago, quilp said:

My Ma had it worked out with the Izal. Before the usually cautious wipe, if one furiously rubbed 2 sheets of the paper together for 10 seconds it softened things up nicely.

I did this once, in the public loo's at the end of Allan Street, the Corpy being fond of Izal. After a noisy and breathy rubbing, there came a soft knock on the door...🤔🤭

I was just wondering what was going on is all ;) 

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17 hours ago, John Wright said:

 

It’s nothing more than pragmatic economic realism. Why waste management time and risk reputational damage on what might be a long offensive. Just cave and give in. I don’t necessarily approve, but I understand why.

M&S probably see this as free advertising rather than risking reputational damage if they hadn't changed.  They'd have been perfectly correct to ignore this academic - nobody else has ever associated midget gems with congenital dwarfism.  Midget is just a word meaning small, as far as I can tell.  It may well come from 'midge' meaning 'gnat' or 'sandfly', which are small insects.

For their next PR stunt perhaps they'll stop putting 'small' on clothes labelling.  Don't want to be accused of body shaming by a fat academic who can't fit into them do they!

 

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9 minutes ago, wrighty said:

M&S probably see this as free advertising rather than risking reputational damage if they hadn't changed.  They'd have been perfectly correct to ignore this academic - nobody else has ever associated midget gems with congenital dwarfism.  Midget is just a word meaning small, as far as I can tell.  It may well come from 'midge' meaning 'gnat' or 'sandfly', which are small insects.

For their next PR stunt perhaps they'll stop putting 'small' on clothes labelling.  Don't want to be accused of body shaming by a fat academic who can't fit into them do they!

 

There was a campaign, 25 years ago, to replace dwarf with PORG ( person of restricted growth ), because dwarf was deemed offensive.

I think it’s better for minority groups to reappropriate, seize control of, and normalise,  offensive terms, or terms that were once normal, but have become pejorative. The LGBT community did that with queer.

I think the little person population have reappropriated “dwarf”.

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32 minutes ago, John Wright said:

There was a campaign, 25 years ago, to replace dwarf with PORG ( person of restricted growth ), because dwarf was deemed offensive.

I think it’s better for minority groups to reappropriate, seize control of, and normalise,  offensive terms, or terms that were once normal, but have become pejorative. The LGBT community did that with queer.

I think the little person population have reappropriated “dwarf”.

Roger Mexico (who else!) linked to the wiki article on the Euphemism Treadmill recently. I’d always known about that phenomenon, but didn’t know there was a name for it until then. This is probably another example - whatever people of short stature decide is fine will become a form of piss take years later and it’ll have to change all over again. Unless they do as you suggest.  
 

I must watch Red Dwarf on Netflix later, before the prof gets it taken down. 

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40 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Roger Mexico (who else!) linked to the wiki article on the Euphemism Treadmill recently. I’d always known about that phenomenon, but didn’t know there was a name for it until then. This is probably another example - whatever people of short stature decide is fine will become a form of piss take years later and it’ll have to change all over again. Unless they do as you suggest.  
 

I must watch Red Dwarf on Netflix later, before the prof gets it taken down. 

PORG was lampooned by Tom Sharpe in the novel Blott on the Landscape.  I think that ended that euphemism.

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7 hours ago, wrighty said:

For their next PR stunt perhaps they'll stop putting 'small' on clothes labelling.  Don't want to be accused of body shaming by a fat academic who can't fit into them do they!

I really don't think that will happen to be honest. Overweight people aren't so much annoyed at the concept of small being a clothing size as they are the lack of availability of decent clothing in a plus size. Most plus size clothing looks like someone cut up a play tent and tried to make a sock out of it. You only have to look at popular brands such as Firetrap, Superdry, River Island and Top Shop for example to see that there is a severe double standard in the male vs female sizes offered. Superdry for example allows a male to purchase any item of clothing up to a size 5XL and yet all female clothing tops out at a size 16 with most sizes stopping at a size 14. That's a huge huge margin of difference and begs the question of why its okay for Mr Fat Ass to wear their brand but Miss Has A Few Pounds is forbidden and exiled to the shame section of George. There is a high level of fat shaming when it comes to females in the fashion industry. And quite honestly. Those who are protesting this are quite right in what they are saying and this does need to change. The average female body is not that of the supermodels that these companies use to showcase their products and its unrealistic to expect women to adhere to this unnatural standard when the very same companies allow middle aged fat bellied men to wander round in their clothing.

Also, there shouldn't be a situation of people worrying about being accused of fat shaming because the actual question people should be asking themselves is "Do we want to fat shame?". And if you answer yes to that question then you really need to ask yourself why you feel the need to do that. It says more about you as a person than it does about the person you are attacking. And that rings true for any situation like this in the world at the minute. I have heard so many morons over the last few years desperately trying to justify to me why they should have the right to say whatever sexist, racist, phobic, shameist nonsense they want, to whoever they want regardless of how that person may feel and be free from any consequences that may otherwise come of it. None to date have given me a satisfactory answer that doesn't boil down to "I am an asshole and I like acting like an asshole". I am a huge proponent of freedom of speech but I also think that with freedom of speech comes a responsibility to ensure that you are not using your freedom of speech to cause unnecessary harm to any other person. And in some ways I think that freedom of speech is necessary for the forward progression of the world. Having said all of the above it is actually necessary sometimes to give an idiot a stand on which to shout to allow the public to hear and discuss their ideas, decide on the best way forward and if needs be hold them accountable for their views. Which is what we are seeing in the world at the minute.

I digress. Fat shaming is bad. Don't do it. Otherwise il come round to your house and switch your plumbing round so your toilet water comes out of your taps.

 

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Is another prohibited idea the evidence based observation that being overweight is a burden to the individual and society due to the increased morbidity it causes and it is reasonable to use both social and personal responsibility to reduce the number of people suffering from obesity? 

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