GD4ELI Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said: Yes, you are correct The nation has been bequeathed a clusterfuck of a situation by the last government, & we are probably shortly to be told [or Tynwald in private session is] there is little money left in the kitty to ameliorate the situation Should this be the case then Tynwald members must press for a £40m Renewables Fund to get us through the next few winters by continuing to subsidise the price of electricity to the consumer and beginning to invest in those 5 onshore wind turbines & grid battery storage IMO the rot started with Tony Brown. Does anyone remember the television program where he was interviewed in his shop, and he said that the Island just runs itself? Edited August 13, 2022 by GD4ELI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 It didn't. He interfered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said: It didn't. He interfered OK, it was some time ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 31 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: IMO the rot started with Tony Brown. Does anyone remember the television program where he was interviews in his shop, and he said that the Island just runs itself? It would be better if the island runs itself. We had fun and games with the Allan Bell and Howard Quayle regimes, of which Alf Cannan had a large amount of responsibility. Unless he says ‘not me guv’ if challenged as to poor decisions made by successive administrations? These poor decisions in some cases have cost the island dearly, and mistakes made have to be rectified at the taxpayers expense. Where money is being spent our politicos need to have at the forefront of their minds ………,,,. VFM (Value for Money) and Longevity. It’s no good doing a capital project only to say in less than 5 years, it doesn’t meet current standards. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriT Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, 2112 said: It would be better if the island runs itself. We had fun and games with the Allan Bell and Howard Quayle regimes, of which Alf Cannan had a large amount of responsibility. Unless he says ‘not me guv’ if challenged as to poor decisions made by successive administrations? These poor decisions in some cases have cost the island dearly, and mistakes made have to be rectified at the taxpayers expense. Where money is being spent our politicos need to have at the forefront of their minds ………,,,. VFM (Value for Money) and Longevity. It’s no good doing a capital project only to say in less than 5 years, it doesn’t meet current standards. The funniest thing is that “sustainability” has become the mantra of an government infrastructure that is very very far from sustainable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 1 hour ago, SleepyJoe said: The nation has been bequeathed a clusterfuck of a situation by the last government, & we are probably shortly to be told [or Tynwald in private session is] there is little money left in the kitty to ameliorate the situation The clusterfuck existed after 2009/10. Since then there has been can-kicking on an epic scale from the two administrations since with the third now left holding the baby. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) If that were the case there'd surely be concentrated efforts to curb costs - the Prom & Liverpool Terminus fiascos would never have happened Edited August 13, 2022 by SleepyJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) Dr Allinson has been on the NPM today, adopting hi best bedside manner ‘government can’t help every on’ and ‘some businesses will not be able to survive’. Yes this is accepted, but the manner, tone and rhetoric that we have had from IOMG, and their holier than thou approach is rather sickening. We still have businesses who get government patronage, are they businesses who would survive without government support, or patronage? It’s quite clear that Allinson is prepared to throw island businesses under a proverbial bus. The economic climate at the moment is extremely hard, but Allinson giving out all this bullshit, and total lack of empathy isn’t helping confidence either. It’s also rather unedifying all this IOMG mantra, especially when in a few weeks the Starship Enterprise will trot out a press release saying that the island is booming, and everything is tickety boo. Edited August 13, 2022 by 2112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 They should fess up, say we haven't got any money & seek funding from financial institutions committed to net zero transition or perhaps the UK government or BoE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said: If that were the case there'd surely be concentrated efforts to curb costs - the Prom & Liverpool Terminus fiascos would never have happened This is what makes the whole thing so disgusting and cynical. We’re being told it’s tough and we have to tighten our belts yet they fucked up to the tune of £40 MILLION over budget on Liverpool and nothing is said. Not one thing. It’s just tough shit on us that our taxes go to fund a bunch of absolute morons who won’t even get booted even though a £40M project is now £40M over budget and it hasn’t even been completed yet. It’s the same with the prom and any other project you care to mention. They’re just taking the absolute piss out of us. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said: They should fess up, say we haven't got any money & seek funding from financial institutions committed to net zero transition or perhaps the UK government or BoE A billion in reserves, reportedly. How much of it is available to cover contingency might be another question? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 44 minutes ago, 2112 said: Dr Allinson has been on the NPM today, adopting hi best bedside manner ‘government can’t help every on’ and ‘some businesses will not be able to survive’. Yes this is accepted, but the manner, tone and rhetoric that we have had from IOMG, and their holier than thou approach is rather sickening. We still have businesses who get government patronage, are they businesses who would survive without government support, or patronage? It’s quite clear that Allinson is prepared to throw island businesses under a proverbial bus. The economic climate at the moment is extremely hard, but Allinson giving out all this bullshit, and total lack of empathy isn’t helping confidence either. It’s also rather unedifying all this IOMG mantra, especially when in a few weeks the Starship Enterprise will trot out a press release saying that the island is booming, and everything is tickety boo. Maybe if they stopped trying to put taxi and coach companies out of business? That would be a start. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 It's mostly the NI Fund and whatever modest reserve the Cannan Administration is 'judiciously' dipping into to balance it's budget 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 People always said it would eventually happen. That they would completely raid the NI fund one day. Because they’ve always thought it was their money not ours. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 It'd be a bit off - to say the least - if they raided the NI Fund to pay civil service CPI linked pensions, but left the modest Manx State Pension as it is 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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