cheesypeas Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 On 5/9/2022 at 12:32 PM, Omobono said: sorry with so much money being sunk into reynoldsway there is no chance of moving the airport to another location , however its high time the landing systems in poor visibility were looked at , or even the lighting gantry replaced at the northern end of the runway , far to many aircraft being turned back and flights cancelled , I could be wrong (often am), but even if Ronaldsway spent millions installing CAT3 landing systems, Loganair aircraft aren't equipped to use it? Like I said, could be mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfour Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 No, you are correct. But, just as dredging Heysham/Douglas allows ferry connectivity to be maintained, CAT 3 (auto land) would allow flights to continue in periods of reduced visibility. The question that the island’s residents will need to decide is which side of the cost/benefit equation they deem best for the Isle of Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Jetfour said: No, you are correct. But, just as dredging Heysham/Douglas allows ferry connectivity to be maintained, CAT 3 (auto land) would allow flights to continue in periods of reduced visibility. The question that the island’s residents will need to decide is which side of the cost/benefit equation they deem best for the Isle of Man. So easyJet could land (and taxi) in dense fog, but Loganair couldn't ? ......just a ballpark. Industry analysts estimate that a CAT lll ILS may cost as much as $3m per runway, https://economicconfidential.com/2019/11/new-landing-equipment-airports-n7-58bn/ Edited May 10 by cheesypeas update Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chie Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) On 5/9/2022 at 11:34 AM, Passing Time said: Manx version of Con Air - could be brilliant I could just see it. Con Air meets The Fugitive. Ted Quayle, convicted sheep rustler, and his group of cohorts hear of a rumoured tunnel from prison veteran Albert Mylchreest. In for a life sentence for illegally milking a cow on the sabbath who these days runs the prison washing room and tries to keep his head down as much as possible. Only when they get to the tunnel it turns out to be the prison sewer line. Regardless they make it through and try to take off in our one remaining Manx Airlines display plane. Only to realise that it no longer has an engine let alone any steering. Being the wise and cunning Manx folk they are they quickly nip off into Andy Moore's farm where Ted puts his sheep rustling skills into action. Twenty minutes, fifteen harnessed Loughton sheep and a metal three legs as a steering control wheel later they are heading down the runway the taste of freedom licking at their lips. Meanwhile back in the prison their absence has not gone unnoticed. In a darkened office somewhere in the depths of the building a hand is seen picking up a badge and a bagel. The camera pans slowly back to reveal Margo who takes a bite out of the bagel and mutters to herself with narrowed eyes "Escapees. They never learn..". Ted turns to his fellow convicts and shouts "We are free lads, Scotland here we come". Suddenly they hear sirens and look back in terror. Several police cars are chasing after them followed by what appears to be a passenger stair loader. Riding atop like a winged Valkyrie swooping down from the heavens to deliver a crushing blow is Margo, a look of pure thunder and fury in her eyes. Like comment and subscribe for part 2 Edited May 10 by Chie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flubbergump Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 51 minutes ago, Chie said: I could just see it. Con Air meets The Fugitive. Ted Quayle, convicted sheep rustler, and his group of cohorts hear of a rumoured tunnel from prison veteran Albert Mylchreest. In for a life sentence for illegally milking a cow on the sabbath who these days runs the prison washing room and tries to keep his head down as much as possible. Only when they get to the tunnel it turns out to be the prison sewer line. Regardless they make it through and try to take off in our one remaining Manx Airlines display plane. Only to realise that it no longer has an engine let alone any steering. Being the wise and cunning Manx folk they are they quickly nip off into Andy Moore's farm where Ted puts his sheep rustling skills into action. Twenty minutes, fifteen harnessed Loughton sheep and a metal three legs as a steering control wheel later they are heading down the runway the taste of freedom licking at their lips. Meanwhile back in the prison their absence has not gone unnoticed. In a darkened office somewhere in the depths of the building a hand is seen picking up a badge and a bagel. The camera pans slowly back to reveal Margo who takes a bite out of the bagel and mutters to herself with narrowed eyes "Escapees. They never learn..". Ted turns to his fellow convicts and shouts "We are free lads, Scotland here we come". Suddenly they hear sirens and look back in terror. Several police cars are chasing after them followed by what appears to be a passenger stair loader. Riding atop like a winged Valkyrie swooping down from the heavens to deliver a crushing blow is Margo, a look of pure thunder and fury in her eyes. Like comment and subscribe for part 2 Does Part 2 involve an A-Team style rebuilding of rusted tractors in an Andreas barn to create a hybrid Van/Boat which is chased across the seas by Margo and her army of self employed roofers on Jetskis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 You’d be looking at £250m to upgrade Jurby so it is probably a runner! There were plans to develop Andreas by a HNW with houses and hangars but the owners wouldn’t sell. did suggest rendition flights for Jurby and a CIA wing a while back. No appetite 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 3 hours ago, Jetfour said: No, you are correct. But, just as dredging Heysham/Douglas allows ferry connectivity to be maintained, CAT 3 (auto land) would allow flights to continue in periods of reduced visibility. The question that the island’s residents will need to decide is which side of the cost/benefit equation they deem best for the Isle of Man. The residents won't decide..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 3 hours ago, Jetfour said: The question that the island’s residents will need to decide is which side of the cost/benefit equation they deem best for the Isle of Man. The Island's residents don't get much of a say in these matters....they're usually left to people completely unqualified for post with little or no political or democratic oversight. Please see Airports, Promenades and Ferry Terminals for past and current examples. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chie Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, Flubbergump said: Does Part 2 involve an A-Team style rebuilding of rusted tractors in an Andreas barn to create a hybrid Van/Boat which is chased across the seas by Margo and her army of self employed roofers on Jetskis? Yes!. You have been peaking at the script. Imagine this.....Margo leaping from boat to boat as each one is blown up in return and Ted staring in amazement mutters "hang on there...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 3 hours ago, cheesypeas said: So easyJet could land (and taxi) in dense fog, but Loganair couldn't ? ......just a ballpark. Industry analysts estimate that a CAT lll ILS may cost as much as $3m per runway, https://economicconfidential.com/2019/11/new-landing-equipment-airports-n7-58bn/ Absolute bargain. $6m for both main runways then. Money well spent. We waste more on MNH and toy trains each year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 49 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: You’d be looking at £250m to upgrade Jurby so it is probably a runner! There were plans to develop Andreas by a HNW with houses and hangars but the owners wouldn’t sell. did suggest rendition flights for Jurby and a CIA wing a while back. No appetite Let's go for it. Bargain. We've still got £250m in reserves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 3 minutes ago, 0bserver said: Absolute bargain. $6m for both main runways then. Money well spent. We waste more on MNH and toy trains each year. Don't think you'd bother with the shorter runway, so yeah, bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 Just now, cheesypeas said: Don't think you'd bother with the shorter runway, so yeah, bargain. You would need one system for 08 and one for 26. So you would still be spending $6m I agree though, 03 and 21 wouldn't get it... I think geographically it's impossible for one of them anyway due to terrain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flubbergump Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 30 minutes ago, 0bserver said: Let's go for it. Bargain. We've still got £250m in reserves. I doubt it. I think there's probably about £4.73 left after Douglas Prom gets finished 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 (edited) 1 minute ago, Flubbergump said: I doubt it. I think there's probably about £4.73 left after Douglas Prom gets finished Especially by the time Hopeful Tim has hopefully sorted out the visibility splays. Edited May 10 by 0bserver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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