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6 hours ago, Gladys said:

After a quick look, that report does not make recommendations, rather it gives a review of the CM role in Kiribati and the vote of no confidence process.  It also gives an analysis of the differences between Kiribati and the IOM. 

We are in a different situation.  It is not so much the CM per se (although his next steps will be telling on how he intends to deal with this, rather than sweep it away), but overall governance and adherence to the codes of conduct and principles  that exist.   It is whether we (IOMG in its broadest form) have got the resolve and determination to crack the whip on such codes and principles to ensure adherence, and who will be given the fullest authority to do it effectively and without fear or favour. 

The current situation also needs a review at the higher levels and for those who are found wanting to go. The tone of a organisation is set by those at the top.  It should definitely not be an excuse to find some sacrificial lambs at the lower levels just to demonstrate that action was taken. 

 


The Kiribati report reached conclusions

It is the Nolan Principles that apply to anyone who works as a public office-holder

Keys members can only be judged by their peers unless there is clear breach of statute surely?

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5 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said:


The Kiribati report reached conclusions

It is the Nolan Principles that apply to anyone who works as a public office-holder

Keys members can only be judged by their peers unless there is clear breach of statute surely?

Well, I have probably been a bit of a joke on here, but I have been banging on about the Nolan Principles for ages.  No one listened. 

Are Ministers not subject to them?

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3 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

That's because if you look at the FoI they refused to respond to the question asked (which was about the amount paid to their QC) they just gave a figure for the total to date (14 March).  Given that the hearing only finished on 11 February (and took ten hearing days, never mind the rest) I would imagine that most of the bills hadn't come in by then, including Mr Boyd's.  Manx Radio fell for this, but there will be many times more that to come, including the cost of the Tribunal itself who had to do extra work after the hearing because of the disclosure problems.  

What is more, hidden away at the end of the Decision is this:

848. Mr Segal has flagged already that he would perhaps be seeking a costs sanction, something on which the Tribunal makes no observation at this stage.

Normally in such cases both sides pay their own legal costs.  If the Tribunal finds that defending the case was pointless, they might well decide to order the Government to pay Ranson's/the BMA's costs.

And this will all be additional to all the internal costs the Government has racked up.  Which they tell us they can never give a figure for because unlike every other lawyers' office in the world, the AG's Office don't keep timesheets.

 

3 hours ago, rachomics said:

Like qualified and experienced PhDs and MDs, QC's cost a significant amount of money. The better bet is to not need a PhD/MD/QC in the first place. 

£37k was the total to date, eh?

I thought it was customary for barristers not to submit their fees for payment until after a case was finished.

IIRC from the judgment, there were over 1000 documents* in evidence and the trial bundle ran to over 6000 pages.  It would have cost a fortune just to collate and to review the evidence.

*And that's only the documents the tribunal was presented with!

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11 hours ago, Augustus said:

Rubbish. You need only look at some other nations to see how laughable the comparison is. How about Russia, for example?

Yes Russia is an unfair comparison. But there must be some awful, morally bankrupt, cesspit Banana Republic in Africa which might have fitted the bill instead. The elephant in the room here really is with Ashford himself. You can read through those 200 pages and where he pops up you get the distinct impression of a man who denies that he knows anything until proof is provided that he did. Only then does he admit that he did something. This is now the man running our treasury after a global pandemic has badly hit our finances. You can pretty much bet in his current role he is also as clueless and kept in the dark by civil servants as he claims he was when he was health minister. So why is he still in the job? 

You only have to speak with him for 3 minutes to work out he’s a delusional fool who has aspired to be in some position of responsibility over people forever as he get off on the illusion of credibility that he knows he doesn’t have. And having abjectly failed to make it in the commercial world he found the perfect environment for his delusions in the local authority and political world where groveling provides a fast return on effort. He should just go. Why Cannan has not sacked him yet is a mystery. But probably tied up in why he got the job in the first place. Which is that he’ll just sit there and do what he’s told and take the rap for a lot of the crap that’s coming down the pipe. 

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1 hour ago, Wavey Davey said:

 

You only have to speak with him for 3 minutes to work out he’s a delusional fool who has aspired to be in some position of responsibility over people forever as he get off on the illusion of credibility that he knows he doesn’t have. And having abjectly failed to make it in the commercial world he found the perfect environment for his delusions in the local authority and political world where groveling provides a fast return on effort. He should just go. Why Cannan has not sacked him yet is a mystery. But probably tied up in why he got the job in the first place. Which is that he’ll just sit there and do what he’s told and take the rap for a lot of the crap that’s coming down the pipe. 

Can't argue with that.

Ashford really needs to go.

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