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5 minutes ago, Newsdesk said:

The whole of Tynwald (Upper & Lower houses) are proving themselves to be nothing but institutionally corrupt. And we do have political parties Gladys. Lawrie Hooper is head of Liberal Vannin. What has he said or done especially as he is Health Minister? Absolutely sod all. Maltby and Faragher are Manx Labour supposedly concerned with workers rights and what have they said or done? Absolutely sod all.

They’re a complete shower of shite. 

Just because we have parties (and I am not sure they really are political parties) doesn't mean we have a party political system.  There is no constitional provision for one, where the party with the most seats gets to establish the government and the opposition forms a shadow cabinet.

 

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To add insult to injury, political discussion has now been thwarted under the guise of sub judice. 

This is really turning into a major crisis in my view and all because there was a weak minister and some professional jealousy. 

Fucking travesty. 

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12 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

If Cannan doesn't act conclusively and concisely, in whatever fashion applicable, then people, not least of all on here are going to start asking why?

Fully agree here. Even the press seem to be getting angry on this one. They are acting like they are totally untouchable. It’s almost mafia like behaviour.

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12 minutes ago, Bandits said:

They are acting like they are totally untouchable. It’s almost mafia like behaviour.

Because over the years under the ministerial system and the rest of #clubtynwald benefits that is precisely what they have become.

No political opposition, an "owned" national broadcaster and a weak media. Coupled with a fawning and self-serving civil service (certainly in its upper ranges) and an indifferent electorate which have contributed to and given us this situation.

This is almost certainly the biggest challenge the system has faced, even greater than Richard Corkill. How it deals with it is now going to be important because much of the electorate is now awake.

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10 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

This is almost certainly the biggest challenge the system has faced, even greater than Richard Corkill. How it deals with it is now going to be important because much of the electorate is now awake.

It takes a lot for a fawning useless tosser like Tim Glover to get angry. Especially as he spent most of the pandemic on Manx Radio almost daily blowing smoke up Ashfords ass

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/tribunal-decision-should-be-watershed-moment-says-mhk/

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Let's not forget one legendary statement from a member of a previous administration.

"Ill-informed Internet forums should be shut down".

How ill-informed has MF proved to be in its discussions on this matter over the last couple of years?

Now consider where we would be, had that gentleman's attitude, all too typical of Tynwald, prevailed?

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8 minutes ago, Bandits said:

It takes a lot for a fawning useless tosser like Tim Glover to get angry. Especially as he spent most of the pandemic on Manx Radio almost daily blowing smoke up Ashfords ass

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/tribunal-decision-should-be-watershed-moment-says-mhk/

Thing is, he is the only MHK to speak out, all the rest are stifled without even questioning if the stifling is correct. 

 

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55 minutes ago, Newsdesk said:

The whole of Tynwald (Upper & Lower houses) are proving themselves to be nothing but institutionally corrupt. And we do have political parties Gladys. Lawrie Hooper is head of Liberal Vannin. What has he said or done especially as he is Health Minister? Absolutely sod all. Maltby and Faragher are Manx Labour supposedly concerned with workers rights and what have they said or done? Absolutely sod all.

They’re a complete shower of shite. 

Manx labour party put out a statement about the press surpression but nothing about the tribunals.  Quite telling.

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55 minutes ago, Newsdesk said:

The whole of Tynwald (Upper & Lower houses) are proving themselves to be nothing but institutionally corrupt. And we do have political parties Gladys. Lawrie Hooper is head of Liberal Vannin. What has he said or done especially as he is Health Minister? Absolutely sod all. Maltby and Faragher are Manx Labour supposedly concerned with workers rights and what have they said or done? Absolutely sod all.

They’re a complete shower of shite. 

Manx labour party put out a statement about the press surpression but nothing about the tribunals.  Quite telling.

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2 minutes ago, cissolt said:

Manx labour party put out a statement about the press surpression but nothing about the tribunals.  Quite telling.

It is quite telling. You get the impression everyone has been gagged on this one. Manx Labour can’t even be bothered making a point yet they claim to stand up for workers rights. It’s Mental Health Awareness Day today. But they stand back from criticizing the way a senior employee of government was institutionally bullied and ostracized for her opinion during a public health crisis. Maltby especially seems to have inherited daddy’s ability to tow the line and keep the head down whilst noisily pretending to be concerned about social issues. 

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1 hour ago, Gladys said:

If we had party politics with the opposition screaming foul from across the chamber, things may have been better.  Who have we got to hold the politicians to account? Absolutely no-one.  And who is there to give unbiased guidance to them in this dire situation?  Absolutely no-one.  Everyone who you would expect to fulfill that role is tainted by this.  The only man is the Lt Gov (ie the UK) and do we really want that intervention?

Yes, absolutely yes, when it is necessary.

If IoM can't run itself the the Governor is duty bound to step in, as he did with the Richard Corkill thing, although by comparison that was a pretty weak matter.

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1 hour ago, Newsdesk said:

He was just an actor playing the role of Health Minister to maximum effect - blissfully unaware of a lot of the medical decisions going on around him and used as a prop by others to pursue sad vendettas.

I’m not so sure he was blissfully unaware. I’m not so sure he was used as a prop either. I think he’s been right in the middle of the whole shebang. 

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1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

If Cannan doesn't act conclusively and concisely, in whatever fashion applicable, then people, not least of all on here are going to start asking why?

 


It will certainly be most interesting to learn whether CM Cannan chooses to distance himself from Treasury Minister Ashford, & if he does exactly what form of words he uses

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49 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Because over the years under the ministerial system and the rest of #clubtynwald benefits that is precisely what they have become.

No political opposition, an "owned" national broadcaster and a weak media. Coupled with a fawning and self-serving civil service (certainly in its upper ranges) and an indifferent electorate which have contributed to and given us this situation.

This is almost certainly the biggest challenge the system has faced, even greater than Richard Corkill. How it deals with it is now going to be important because much of the electorate is now awake.

I would add that, imho, the judiciary has been, at times, far too close to the government, for example in the issuing of non-disclosure orders. Too many of them went to the same school, functions, lodge? Have shared aspirations, goals? All too intertwined for my liking.

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17 minutes ago, Newsdesk said:

It is quite telling. You get the impression everyone has been gagged on this one. Manx Labour can’t even be bothered making a point yet they claim to stand up for workers rights. It’s Mental Health Awareness Day today. But they stand back from criticizing the way a senior employee of government was institutionally bullied and ostracized for her opinion during a public health crisis. Maltby especially seems to have inherited daddy’s ability to tow the line and keep the head down whilst noisily pretending to be concerned about social issues. 

Cretney would also have been silent on the issue.

Ashford regurgitating the lie that Dr Ranson had mental health issues in order to prevent her from attending a meeting is disgusting.  

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