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56 minutes ago, cissolt said:

Honesty and transparency are at the heart of this administration apparently as regurgitated by Dr Alex in Tynwald.

Disappointing.

I guess this is another Council of Ministers that'll be binned at the next election.

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1 hour ago, cissolt said:

Honesty and transparency are at the heart of this administration apparently as regurgitated by Dr Alex in Tynwald.

Disappointing.

How an educated man like Dr Allinson can stand there and speak this utter rubbish beggars belief, it makes him look an utter clown, when exactly the opposite is clearly evident ! One or two have gone up in my estimation and maybe a few more would have but for the patsy Skelly who shut them down. It is a dirty swamp nothing more.

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What if it is proven that documents submitted to the tribunal were falsified? Will the politicians responsible for the Department be held accountable and sacked? Will Ashford continue to sit on CoMIN claiming that, despite his MBE and his expertise-act he actually knew nothing and did nothing? At what point will AC and other Ministers recognise that the credibility of Tynwald is tarnished and democracy is being denied? 
Skelly has no shame. Never has had and never will have. He is a pole-climber, attention seeker and fraud. The fact that he was made President is an affront to anyone who believes this Island needs or deserves good government. What we are seeing today is a continuation of old habits, not a change in direction. Every single MHK should be questioning their role in this charade. 

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2 minutes ago, joebean said:

What if it is proven that documents submitted to the tribunal were falsified? Will the politicians responsible for the Department be held accountable and sacked? Will Ashford continue to sit on CoMIN claiming that, despite his MBE and his expertise-act he actually knew nothing and did nothing? At what point will AC and other Ministers recognise that the credibility of Tynwald is tarnished and democracy is being denied? 
Skelly has no shame. Never has had and never will have. He is a pole-climber, attention seeker and fraud. The fact that he was made President is an affront to anyone who believes this Island needs or deserves good government. What we are seeing today is a continuation of old habits, not a change in direction. Every single MHK should be questioning their role in this charade. 

All they want is the status quo. 

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12 minutes ago, joebean said:

What if it is proven that documents submitted to the tribunal were falsified? Will the politicians responsible for the Department be held accountable and sacked? Will Ashford continue to sit on CoMIN claiming that, despite his MBE and his expertise-act he actually knew nothing and did nothing? At what point will AC and other Ministers recognise that the credibility of Tynwald is tarnished and democracy is being denied? 
Skelly has no shame. Never has had and never will have. He is a pole-climber, attention seeker and fraud. The fact that he was made President is an affront to anyone who believes this Island needs or deserves good government. What we are seeing today is a continuation of old habits, not a change in direction. Every single MHK should be questioning their role in this 

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10 minutes ago, forestboy said:

All they want is the status quo. 

I’m not so sure. Not in the long run  

Rightly or wrongly I’m wondering if Mr Cannan is playing the long game. 

I mentioned yesterday about public confidence in government and it’s not just local confidence. 

Imagine being a billionaire who invests millions on an Island where the treasury minister gets sacked? Would you keep your money here or move it? 

Like it or not, there’s a LOT of money invested here. Mr Cannan has to be mindful of confidence in our ability to look after it. This is the treasury minister we’re talking about after all  

I think he will still go. I think there is a long plan. That’s how much of an optimist I am in human integrity. 

Roast me now. 

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Of course one problem with Tynwald discussing this, is that the Clerk of Tynwald's Office, who will be advising Tynwald, is hardly disinterested in allowing discussion or not over Employment Tribunals:

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I have no idea what the details are of this particular case, but given the length of time allocated, it wouldn't surprise me if there were whistleblowing claims involved here as well.

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The Chief Minister may be playing a long game and he may be waiting to see what the tribunal finds about the DHSC submission of documentation etc.

But by bringing the whole Public Sector into the frame and referencing various reviews he could equally be kicking the can down the road and hoping something else comes along to make us forget this debacle.

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2 minutes ago, Manx Resident said:

The Chief Minister may be playing a long game and he may be waiting to see what the tribunal finds about the DHSC submission of documentation etc.

But by bringing the whole Public Sector into the frame and referencing various reviews he could equally be kicking the can down the road and hoping something else comes along to make us forget this debacle.

It will NEVER be forgotten. 

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3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Of course one problem with Tynwald discussing this, is that the Clerk of Tynwald's Office, who will be advising Tynwald, is hardly disinterested in allowing discussion or not over Employment Tribunals:

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I have no idea what the details are of this particular case, but given the length of time allocated, it wouldn't surprise me if there were whistleblowing claims involved here as well.

If there are whistleblower claims, or more salacious juicy titbits to emerge, do you think the islands media to play ball, and be supportive? I think they will want to go in for the kill.

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