Jump to content

Ashford: Should he stay or should he go?


Newsdesk
 Share

Ashford: Should he stay or should he go?   

136 members have voted

You do not have permission to vote in this poll, or see the poll results. Please sign in or register to vote in this poll.
  • Poll closed on 06/30/2022 at 08:57 AM

Recommended Posts

3 minutes ago, Manx17 said:

I think people are being very unfair, I doubt David Ashford made all the decisions in the pandemic and I’m sure at the time  other members of comin would have been notified and agreeable as a team with magson and Hetty, 

No doubt there will be another one along in a minute. Does Ashy suffer from insomnia?

  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)
21 minutes ago, Manx17 said:

but it would be wrong to say everything that happened was down to David Ashford alone.

No-one is saying it is all down to him BUT he is responsible for the Department. He was the People's representative, our non-excutive director if you like, at the DHSC charged with producing policy. It is he that failed in those duties because he CHOSE to only listen to one voice. No one made him. 

It is interesting that Skelly shut down questions in the way he did because he himself should have quit at least twice. Now the civil service is going to be reformed, at great expense, but the same management will still be there (bar Greenhow and Magson), headed by Ministers who can not ever admit they've made mistakes, a chief minister who is spearheading this nonsense and all enabled by a President who won't allow Ministers to be properly held to account. 

So no isn't all about Ashford but that doesn't mean he shouldn't go.

Edited by Ham_N_Eggs
  • Like 7
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

No-one is saying it is all down to him BUT he is responsible for the Department. He was the People's representative, our non-excutive director if you like, at the DHSC charged with producing policy. It is he that failed in those duties because he CHOSE to only listen to one voice. No one made him. 

It is interesting that Skelly shut down questions in the way he did because he himself should have quit at least twice. Now the civil service is going to be reformed, at great expense, but the same management will still be there (bar Greenhow and Magson), headed by Ministers who can not ever admit they've made mistakes, a chief minister who is spearheading this and all enabled by a President who won't allow Ministers to be properly held to account. 

So no isn't all about Ashford but that doesn't mean he shouldn't go.

Then they should all go and Howard Quayle ect should be held accountable too, and their pensions taken off them.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 5/16/2022 at 6:35 PM, SleepyJoe said:

 

Hooper shirked his responsibility 

Hooper not up to the job

Hewitt conspired with Magson, integrity gone

Dr Glover stood her ground

complacency and arrogance of government workers.

duty of care on the media 

form of corruption, rotten 🍎 apples

destroyed lives

some straight talking between Robertshaw and Moulton

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

No, not down to DA alone, but he was Health Minister and, it would seem, backed the wrong side or didn't enquire too deeply allowing this shameful situation to perpetuate. 

That is the issue or do you think Ministers should just simply shrug and say that their officials  got it wrong?

If so, what is the point of the Ministerial structure?  

It is unfortunate what happened to Dr Ranson? No, it is a f*cking disgrace and all those complicit, either actively, or wilfully blind or incompetent should not be remaining in positions of authority and trust,  because they have simply failed in their obligation to serve the GMP fairly, competently and adequately.  They are in a position of public trust and have simply failed to honour that obligation, whether civil servant or politician.  I emphasise servant because that is their role; to serve the public.

A very sad day for Manx politics and democracy.  The list of those tainted was expanded exponentially today. 

 

  • Like 12
  • Thanks 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, Gladys said:

A very sad day for Manx politics and democracy.  The list of those tainted was expanded exponentially today. 

Not unexpectedly, nor for the first time, we saw #clubtynwald draw the chairs together and take precedence.

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, Steady Eddie said:

Oh right. As Ashie an apron wearer then? If so you’re likely right.

Check the Tynwald members register.  One does wonder how a man with no discernible skills, apart from his Walter Mitty approach to inventing them, remains in position. 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, Gladys said:

No, not down to DA alone, but he was Health Minister

None of them are qualified to do the roles that they are given . They do what they are told is right. That is why money is wasted all the time, they haven’t got a clue. The problem in the Isle of Man is, people seem to have short memories and vote them in again. When they should be give one shot at fives years and if they haven’t made a difference , they shouldn’t be allowed back in. But no the old boys club is allowed to continue as people put them there to carry on. Look what happened with Baker he was the only one that stuck up for the victims in knot field then given the role to sort the prom after it was already a shambles. Then it was pick axes at dawn. I think sometimes people go round with their eyes closed. They should be all accountable and that’s probably why questions were shut down in Tynwald  as it would implement them all. 
 

Edited by Manx17
  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, Gladys said:

No, not down to DA alone, but he was Health Minister and, it would seem, backed the wrong side or didn't enquire too deeply allowing this shameful situation to perpetuate. 

That is the issue or do you think Ministers should just simply shrug and say that their officials  got it wrong?

If so, what is the point of the Ministerial structure?  

It is unfortunate what happened to Dr Ranson? No, it is a f*cking disgrace and all those complicit, either actively, or wilfully blind or incompetent should not be remaining in positions of authority and trust,  because they have simply failed in their obligation to serve the GMP fairly, competently and adequately.  They are in a position of public trust and have simply failed to honour that obligation, whether civil servant or politician.  I emphasise servant because that is their role; to serve the public.

A very sad day for Manx politics and democracy.  The list of those tainted was expanded exponentially today. 

 

I think a lot of the politicos, and not just Ashford (who has failed miserably) like the prestige, vestige and trappings of their positions, along with the adulation, respect and deference that the Titles of MHK or Honourable brings with being elected. Some can’t accept that if you have been found wanting, criticised, or possibly censured, their is a likelihood that you should do the honourable thing and resign. Unlike with UK politics there is a chance after a couple of years of backbench activity, you could be reappointed a Minister, given another chance. Ashford sadly wants it all but like a spoilt child he can’t take criticism nor can he be honourable, in doing the right thing, and especially galling is his hiding behind his colleagues. The video clips of MHKs asking CM Cannan questions following his statement, speaks volumes, especially Ashford body language and demeanour. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 hours ago, Gladys said:

No, not down to DA alone, but he was Health Minister and, it would seem, backed the wrong side or didn't enquire too deeply allowing this shameful situation to perpetuate. 

That is the issue or do you think Ministers should just simply shrug and say that their officials  got it wrong?

If so, what is the point of the Ministerial structure?  

It is unfortunate what happened to Dr Ranson? No, it is a f*cking disgrace and all those complicit, either actively, or wilfully blind or incompetent should not be remaining in positions of authority and trust,  because they have simply failed in their obligation to serve the GMP fairly, competently and adequately.  They are in a position of public trust and have simply failed to honour that obligation, whether civil servant or politician.  I emphasise servant because that is their role; to serve the public.

A very sad day for Manx politics and democracy.  The list of those tainted was expanded exponentially today. 

 

Well,with the filtration of information through the various levels of civil service management without, seemingly, any ministerial oversight, it does show that the point of the ministerial structure is to have a democratically elected representative there to announce unelected officials' decisions.

giphy.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, Manx17 said:

None of them are qualified to do the roles that they are given

You don't need to be qualified to have a sense of listening to people who know what they are talking about. In Ashfords case it was plainly obvious he had sidelined the science and was listening to ego !

I have opined many times that these people wake up in a morning look at themselves in the mirror and feel "yes I am the minister for health and I know all about it ", if this is the way they feel and they do, they are unfit for office !

Let's face it, there are a few that frankly are as thick as a whale omelette, and whatever makes them think they are decision making material in a supposedly independent country beggars belief !

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, 2112 said:

I think a lot of the politicos, and not just Ashford (who has failed miserably) like the prestige, vestige and trappings of their positions, along with the adulation, respect and deference that the Titles of MHK or Honourable brings with being elected. Some can’t accept that if you have been found wanting, criticised, or possibly censured, their is a likelihood that you should do the honourable thing and resign. Unlike with UK politics there is a chance after a couple of years of backbench activity, you could be reappointed a Minister, given another chance. Ashford sadly wants it all but like a spoilt child he can’t take criticism nor can he be honourable, in doing the right thing, and especially galling is his hiding behind his colleagues. The video clips of MHKs asking CM Cannan questions following his statement, speaks volumes, especially Ashford body language and demeanour. 

And unlike the UK system, there isn't the accountability of the political party that you represent to be reckoned with.

Here, there is no accountability bar elections.

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...