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19 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Who's clever idea was it to have the DHSC/Manx Care CEO operate at (physical) arms length? Who approved of that arrangement? Who signed off on that?

But that wasn’t the idea or intention. It was 3 x 10 hour days on island and available from home the rest of the working week. In case you hadn’t noticed, from March 2020, that became legally impossible.

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1 hour ago, John Wright said:

But that wasn’t the idea or intention. It was 3 x 10 hour days on island and available from home the rest of the working week. In case you hadn’t noticed, from March 2020, that became legally impossible.

 With a leading role such as hers something could have been arranged. Steam packet staff didn’t have to isolate. There are too many excuses. 

 

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What we witnessed yesterday was a tragically sad day for Manx politics and the integrity of Tynwald. Presided over by Skelly with Ashford holding his “honourable” position in total contempt. I voted for Alf Cannan and I am still shocked that he has abused the trust that I and many others placed in him to do the right thing on big issues. He was supposed to be the new broom after the years of Quayle inactive, ignorant , ego-protecting and clique-dominated office. 
Yes, the pandemic was a difficult and unprecedented time where decisions had to be made in a pressured environment. However, that does not excuse the behaviour that has been identified in the tribunal judgement. Effective and principled leaders maintain their standards in such situations and the qualities of listening, considering and keeping to what is true generally assist in making the right decisions at the right time. Instead, we got something different. It’s not good enough and there are no acceptable excuses. 
Faced with the need to be decisive and show leadership and principle, Alf chose to take the path of getting rid of one senior official (rightly); promising things will be better at some unspecified time in the future; to spout placatory BS and to allow the unworthy and pretentious President to stifle a debate of the issues some MHKs and the majority of the concerned public wanted. It’s a disgrace. Alf Cannan needs to quickly take stock of this debacle, be big enough to put his hands up and acknowledge the error and do the right things. It’s his only salvation. 

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59 minutes ago, John Wright said:

But that wasn’t the idea or intention. It was 3 x 10 hour days on island and available from home the rest of the working week. In case you hadn’t noticed, from March 2020, that became legally impossible.

I meant why wasn't the position full-time and resident? It's nothing to do with COVID, per se. The appointment was made well outside of COVID. 

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10 minutes ago, joebean said:

He was supposed to be the new broom after the years of Quayle inactive, ignorant , ego-protecting and clique-dominated office. 

I'm not sure why anyone thought that. Cannan as the treasury minister was a key member of the Quayle administration.

If you want change then you aren't going to get that with someone who's part of the problem.

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42 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

I meant why wasn't the position full-time and resident? It's nothing to do with COVID, per se. The appointment was made well outside of COVID. 

It was temporary, fixed term, two year, secondment to oversee the transition. Started Jan 2020, I think. And but for covid there’s nothing to say she wouldn’t have done her three long days 

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34 minutes ago, John Wright said:

It was temporary, fixed term, two year, secondment to oversee the transition. Started Jan 2020, I think. And but for covid there’s nothing to say she wouldn’t have done her three long days 

Wouldn't she have been regarded as a key worker and thus able to legally travel here? 

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10 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Indeed, as I posted last night.

So widely reported is this drama it even made Pehal News in India..!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pehalnews.in/isle-of-man-medical-director-faced-disgraceful-bullying-tribunal-finds/1964255/%3famp

 

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19 minutes ago, Mistercee said:

Wouldn't she have been regarded as a key worker and thus able to legally travel here? 

Admin, not coal face. Isolation every trip.

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Looking at twitter, and Dr Glovers latest revelations about Mr Ashford and his partner it seems to me Mr Cannan needs to get a grip on this soon, because the fire is spreading out of control !

No action will not shut this down this time !!

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I wonder  if we MF. are not helping the situation? Any politician in DAs position will be looking for any reason not to resign, any reason to doubt the strength of opposition.

It could be that 'our' outpourings are so imbalanced and as Quilp points out above, he still has support and may claim his decryers are just  mindless keyboard warriors?

There are a few here who do not  seem grasp the situation, they think he should resign because he's a 'Shit'! What has he done wrong? They don't know, he's just a 'Shit' and a politician and ''needs going'' [sic].

 

I think he's a shit too!!!!🤫

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31 minutes ago, asitis said:

Looking at twitter, and Dr Glovers latest revelations about Mr Ashford and his partner it seems to me Mr Cannan needs to get a grip on this soon, because the fire is spreading out of control !

No action will not shut this down this time !!

Yes quite some allegations this morning including an investigating police officer allegedly telling her that Ashfords partner could put a load of flaming dog shit through her letterbox and they still wouldn’t investigate it. Let’s see how long they stay up. But if it is right that the partner of a sitting Minister has harassed and made threats (including alleged death threats) to someone who challenged her partner it’s quite serious really. 

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