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5 minutes ago, Kopek said:

It's public Gladys, it's on soc media, it is intended to support the many good CS/PS and I agree that should be done and indeed should have been done a long time ago, too often the 'leaning on shovels' jibe arises.

I just think the good message will be lost in the current opprobrium for the miscreants and that the best method would be to clear out weeds and then praise the remainder?

I'm just waiting to hear a MInister to say, ''We thank this bitch for her service these two years and wish her well while we try to sort out the shitstorm she has left us with''.

Laurie?

This is the very time to send the message to staff that they are valued and their concerns will be heeded and not swept to one side. The message won't be lost in all the opprobrium to the staff, and they are the ones who count.  It also opens the doors for the weeds currently hiding in the shade to come into the full daylight. 

I absolutely agree with RM, there does need to be an informal process where people are advised and listened to and do not feel that if they speak up it will start a chain effect which will come back to bite them. 

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53 minutes ago, Gladys said:

This is the very time to send the message to staff that they are valued and their concerns will be heeded and not swept to one side. The message won't be lost in all the opprobrium to the staff, and they are the ones who count.  It also opens the doors for the weeds currently hiding in the shade to come into the full daylight. 

I absolutely agree with RM, there does need to be an informal process where people are advised and listened to and do not feel that if they speak up it will start a chain effect which will come back to bite them. 

I liked the video.  I don’t  know anything about the man but he seemed very personable, authentic and genuine.

Let’s give government their due. They’re really trying. 

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Interesting to see how many of you presume that these 'resignations' have been instigated by genuine political scrutiny. That isn't usually how our government works, because if it did the other departments of government wouldn't be so badly run.

It looks to me that there seems to have been some sort of collective gross misconduct. I wouldn't be surprised if  some sort of whistle-blowing or external investigation has uncovered some sort of dodgy and botched collusion to arse-cover over a bad decision, or get rid of a dangerously or expensively crap civil servant. You can't just have people 'resign' on the spot unless there is evidence of gross misconduct, can you? It seems like some sort of damming evidence has come to light and the guilty parties have resigned one by one as they realise their positions are untenable. 

That's what it all looks like anyway. In my opinion this all stems from appointing people with no personal investment in the community they are to serve, and almost always from our neighbouring jurisdiction to the right - which has had awful standards of governance for decades. 

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4 minutes ago, Freggyragh said:

Interesting to see how many of you presume that these 'resignations' have been instigated by genuine political scrutiny. That isn't usually how our government works, because if it did the other departments of government wouldn't be so badly run.

It looks to me that there seems to have been some sort of collective gross misconduct. I wouldn't be surprised if  some sort of whistle-blowing or external investigation has uncovered some sort of dodgy and botched collusion to arse-cover over a bad decision, or get rid of a dangerously or expensively crap civil servant. You can't just have people 'resign' on the spot unless there is evidence of gross misconduct, can you? It seems like some sort of damming evidence has come to light and the guilty parties have resigned one by one as they realise their positions are untenable. 

That's what it all looks like anyway. In my opinion this all stems from appointing people with no personal investment in the community they are to serve, and almost always from our neighbouring jurisdiction to the right - which has had awful standards of governance for decades. 

You didn’t read the Ranson Employment Tribunal decision, then?

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33 minutes ago, Freggyragh said:

In my opinion this all stems from appointing people with no personal investment in the community they are to serve, and almost always from our neighbouring jurisdiction to the right - which has had awful standards of governance for decades. 

Sounds like every Civil Servant then.

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4 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

Can we start with sacking whoever edited that video.  If you're trying to make a serious set of points it. does. not. need. to. be. cut. every. other. second.

I thought he was going to tell a bed time story like on Cbeebies. They must be short staffed on media training this week. 

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2 hours ago, Freggyragh said:

You can't just have people 'resign' on the spot unless there is evidence of gross misconduct, can you? It seems like some sort of damming evidence has come to light and the guilty parties have resigned one by one as they realise their positions are untenable. 

Well of course that’s likely to be correct. People generally only sign resignation letters when all other options have been exhausted. Especially given the way our IOM Government HR dept are usually total pushovers where you get some shoddy case to go to tribunal to be defended by incompetents and end up with a secret payout and your pension enhanced. So you have to assume that to solicit a resignation ‘forthwith’ which effectively waives most rights to anything and you leave immediately without gardening leave someone has had the ‘you’re totally fucked’ conversation with them before hand. They may even have been handed a pre drafted resignation letter to sign. But either way to take that action they know they’re fucked and resignation is now the only option. 

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Anybody who read the Dr Ranson Tribunal decision would immediately have realised that Dr Ewart was living on borrowed time.  The only person more heavily and more directly criticised in the decision than she was Mrs Magson - and she'd already scarpered out of touch and out of range!

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5 hours ago, Wavey Davey said:

Well of course that’s likely to be correct. People generally only sign resignation letters when all other options have been exhausted. Especially given the way our IOM Government HR dept are usually total pushovers where you get some shoddy case to go to tribunal to be defended by incompetents and end up with a secret payout and your pension enhanced. So you have to assume that to solicit a resignation ‘forthwith’ which effectively waives most rights to anything and you leave immediately without gardening leave someone has had the ‘you’re totally fucked’ conversation with them before hand. They may even have been handed a pre drafted resignation letter to sign. But either way to take that action they know they’re fucked and resignation is now the only option. 

Alf Cannan essentially told Paul Moulton they gave WG a pre-written letter.

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