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19 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Don't they get a 6 month, full-salary parachute payment in the event of non re-election? Surely that should be enough for anybody to rearrange their affairs, post-Tynwald?

i think that's the point tossers 1 & 2 are complaining about because it only applies if you are of working age  AND if you actually stood again for election.  they qualified on the second point but not the first.

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26 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

Don't they get a 6 month, full-salary parachute payment in the event of non re-election? Surely that should be enough for anybody to rearrange their affairs, post-Tynwald?

Perkins and Boot didn't:

Members’ Resettlement Grant Scheme

The Members of Tynwald (Resettlement Grant) Scheme 2018 (2018-SD-0041) provides that if a Member under 60 years of age who has served at least two years is unsuccessful in seeking re-election to either the Keys or the Council, he or she will be paid the equivalent of six months’ basic salary. If a person receives this grant but is elected to either Branch within six months, or is in receipt of a pension provided under the Isle of Man Government Unified Scheme 2011, a proportion of the money must be repaid.

For any Member becoming eligible for this grant at the House of Keys General Election in 2021 or the elections to the Legislative Council in 2023 and 2025, the grant is calculated on the basis of the pre-2021 salary.

Both were over 60 when they lost and so entitled to draw a pension.  It's a bit like someone retiring and then demanding they be given redundancy as well.

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An exemplary case of the PS "Grab as much as you can" culture then, clearly even Tynwald members are infected with this malaise.

Time they were told to do one, particularly in light of Boot and Perkins' contributions to the last administration.

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1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

Don't they get a 6 month, full-salary parachute payment in the event of non re-election? Surely that should be enough for anybody to rearrange their affairs, post-Tynwald?

You've misunderstood the suggestion I was making. 

The month's extra paid work, I was suggesting is in effect a "notice" period immediately after the election result and would be instead of the 6 months parachute payment. The "rearrangement of affairs" was to hand off constituency work to their replacements, tie-up any committee or departmental loose ends, do a proper and professional hand over of matters they have been working on. Obviously as a compassionate employer I'm sure the Speaker or President or whoever, would allow some flexibility during that period for them to attend job interviews etc. but it would be primarily to ensure a smooth handover to the next lot. 

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surely they knew the conditions of employment when they took the job on in the first place , and the pension entitlement , Government or Tynwald didn't discontinue or terminate  their employment ,  the electorate  did, they should be shown the door ! tough 

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3 hours ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

Doesn't statutory redundancy pay entitlement change if you are over a certain age?.

 

 

3 hours ago, Declan said:

Does redundancy pay come into it when it's a fixed term contract that comes to an end?

 

11 minutes ago, Omobono said:

surely they knew the conditions of employment when they took the job on in the first place , and the pension entitlement , Government or Tynwald didn't discontinue or terminate  their employment ,  the electorate  did, they should be shown the door ! tough 

You’re missing the point about what their claim is based on. It’s based on age discrimination. 

There is a resettlement scheme, not redundancy, but it only applies to MHK’s who stand, are not re-elected, and are under 60.

Presumably, if they win, any payout must be reduced by the amount they receive under the members pension scheme.

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11 minutes ago, John Wright said:

 

 

You’re missing the point about what their claim is based on. It’s based on age discrimination. 

There is a resettlement scheme, not redundancy, but it only applies to MHK’s who stand, are not re-elected, and are under 60.

Presumably, if they win, any payout must be reduced by the amount they receive under the members pension scheme.

You really are a pompous git sometimes. 

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44 minutes ago, John Wright said:

 

 

You’re missing the point about what their claim is based on. It’s based on age discrimination. 

 

not being able to claim a pension till you're a certain AGE is age discrimination too then?  lots of societies rules and laws are based on age as you know , why is this different ?

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If they'd been any good at their jobs, the situation wouldn't have arisen. They weren't and the electorate gave them the heave-ho.

Yet they were still paid what to many was a King's ransom in salaries during their tenures, plus whatever departmental uplifts.

A bit of humility wouldn't go amiss IMHO.

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5 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

If they'd been any good at their jobs, the situation wouldn't have arisen. They weren't and the electorate gave them the heave-ho.

Yet they were still paid what to many was a King's ransom in salaries during their tenures, plus whatever departmental uplifts.

A bit of humility wouldn't go amiss IMHO.

And in Perkins case if he’d have been any good at his previous job he wouldn’t have had to stand as MHK in the first place. 

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14 minutes ago, P.K. said:

As they knew what the T&C's were when they boarded the gravy train I think they have some real neck in claiming anything retrospectively.

Don't forget they were also part of the body making the rules and could have tried to amend them. 

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