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I was recently quoted £25 ,000 for a dual solar panel / heat pump  system   to change from gas ,        my current heating system is micro bore  which is also not compatible with the new technology ,  and half my back garden will have to be dug up by hand as I cant get a machine in , if I agree  to go ahead  they cant come for 6 months (winter)  cant  guarantee   no additional cost ,  or predict the running costs due to  fluctuation in the electricity costs , 

 

and I live in a 1950's 3 bed semi ,which is well insulated , 

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49 minutes ago, Banker said:

Well according to the energy survey I git via DFE it’s estimating £15/20k for heat/ground source pumps which will probably have gone up by now plus all the digging/ disruption involved.

Not sure who’s quoting you £8k for oil, c£5k max

Even so what are you getting for your 5k?

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1 hour ago, Banker said:

Well according to the energy survey I git via DFE it’s estimating £15/20k for heat/ground source pumps which will probably have gone up by now plus all the digging/ disruption involved.

Not sure who’s quoting you £8k for oil, c£5k max

You have to consider that with oil I am not just talking about the price of the boiler I am talking tank, boiler, radiators plumbing. 

bTW there is no digging. All the heat pumps on the island would be air source. It's a perfect climate for that. 

You get a reduced electricity tariff for heat pump AFAIK 

 

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1 hour ago, Omobono said:

I was recently quoted £25 ,000 for a dual solar panel / heat pump  system   to change from gas ,        my current heating system is micro bore  which is also not compatible with the new technology ,  and half my back garden will have to be dug up by hand as I cant get a machine in , if I agree  to go ahead  they cant come for 6 months (winter)  cant  guarantee   no additional cost ,  or predict the running costs due to  fluctuation in the electricity costs , 

 

and I live in a 1950's 3 bed semi ,which is well insulated , 

You have hit the nail on the head. Retro fitting is rubbish. Build it in from new, you don't have all those issues. 

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1 minute ago, Happier diner said:

You have hit the nail on the head. Retro fitting is rubbish. Build it in from new, you don't have all those issues. 

So what are all the other houses on the island supposed to use as this flawed technology is trying to be forced upon us and is clearly not fit for purpose.

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3 hours ago, Happier diner said:

You seem very ignorant of the facts. Perhaps a bit of research would inform you that heat pumps are not new technology. In fact they are old and we'll established. I believe over 50 years.

If you further researched you would find that well insulated houses with heat pumps installed are not that much more expensive and you would get the cost back in about 5 years.

It's because if ignorance like this that we are pointlessly building poorly insulated houses to save a few pounds in the short term and somehow developer are being allowed to get away with it 

I absolutely agree with Clare Barber. What she says makes great sense. Well done to her to try and get some traction for change. 

Yours Babs

 

What do you propose older housing that is unstable (as in freezing ) use for heating 

if these fruit cakes get their way 

 

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3 hours ago, Happier diner said:

I don't know where you are getting your prices from. A heatpump system is about £12k compared to about £8k for an oil system and around £6k for gas. So it's only £4k extra. Insulation is not expensive if done at the time. 

It's really expensive to retro fit either so common sense says do it at the time of the build.

With average new house prices around £400k its hardly significant. 

Only 4k 🤪 you do know that most houses would need new radiators pipe work etc 

plus that would mean total house redecorating 

so your figures are rubbish 

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I believe climate change is real, I also believe that until you can persuade India and China that change has to happen we are pissing in the wind .   I would like to ask Daphne two questions 1.    How much is her team of experts 😂 costing in wages, ITIP a year ?   2.   What have they achieved so far ?   I would wager answer to 1. would be  I do not have this figure and to 2 would be feck all.   

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13 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

I believe climate change is real, I also believe that until you can persuade India and China that change has to happen we are pissing in the wind .   I would like to ask Daphne two questions 1.    How much is her team of experts 😂 costing in wages, ITIP a year ?   2.   What have they achieved so far ?   I would wager answer to 1. would be  I do not have this figure and to 2 would be feck all.   

It's all just 'soundbites' or all piss and wind as we like to say!

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2 hours ago, Markduc said:

Only 4k 🤪 you do know that most houses would need new radiators pipe work etc 

plus that would mean total house redecorating 

so your figures are rubbish 

What are you talking about? I am talking about new houses. Did you read the thread or not?

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2 hours ago, finlo said:

So what are all the other houses on the island supposed to use as this flawed technology is trying to be forced upon us and is clearly not fit for purpose.

I have no idea. Have you missed the point completely. Read the whole thread. I have an old house. Heat pump would be no good. I have no idea what we will do once gas and oil is outlawed. 

What I am saying is that I agree with Clare Barber. Stop making the same mistake with new houses. 

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50 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

I believe climate change is real, I also believe that until you can persuade India and China that change has to happen we are pissing in the wind .   I would like to ask Daphne two questions 1.    How much is her team of experts 😂 costing in wages, ITIP a year ?   2.   What have they achieved so far ?   I would wager answer to 1. would be  I do not have this figure and to 2 would be feck all.   

Would the people in China and India not just say cut your carbon emission’s down to our level first?.

We need to reduce the world population if we are going to be able to live the way we do now. 

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Pretty much every country in the world produces a good chunk of their power from renewables. Except the Isle of Man. Which hasn't bothered at all. People moan about China but they are heavily investing in clean energy and produce about 40% of their electricity from renewables. 

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12 hours ago, Happier diner said:

I have no idea. Have you missed the point completely. Read the whole thread. I have an old house. Heat pump would be no good. I have no idea what we will do once gas and oil is outlawed. 

What I am saying is that I agree with Clare Barber. Stop making the same mistake with new houses. 

An electric combi boiler will heat your home and water. Combine with solar panels for the win.

The EU are making all property owners renovate their buildings to at least Class F, so I expect we will do that too at some point. Probably 40 or 50 years after the EU does 🙄

I agree with Clare too, it beggars belief that new builds are not including alternatives at this late stage. 

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