0bserver Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 It seems the efforts to turn things around have failed. Waiting times are going up, costs are up. Maybe we need to accept that the current 'free' service based on the UK model is totally unsustainable? There seem to be more effective models around the world that don't have excessive waiting times. Should we adopt one of those? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 New thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted June 30 Author Share Posted June 30 8 minutes ago, quilp said: New thread? Yeah, it doesn't really follow the other thread which is the current mess of Manx Care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 (edited) A properly ring fenced Health fund which Government can't get their grubby mits on would be a good start. Lack of funding is not the whole story, mismanagement and financial irresponsibility are rife in the Health Service ! Edited June 30 by asitis 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sentience Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, asitis said: A properly ring fenced Health fund which Government can't get their grubby mits on would be a good start. Lack of funding is not the whole story, mismanagement and financial irresponsibility are rife in the Health Service ! IOMG seem to have a major misunderstanding with the poles apart difference between overspending (which is how they refer to it) and their total inability to fund it properly in the first place. Aside from nearly 3 years under threat from Covid, although they acknowledge we are an ageing population, they don't realistically budget for it....hence the cry of Overspending, it's not, it's a common sense response to the needs of those who fall ill...simple. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Gay'n Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/a-fifth-of-roles-at-manx-care-currently-vacant/ Hanging on by its fingernails, or something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, asitis said: A properly ring fenced Health fund which Government can't get their grubby mits on would be a good start. Lack of funding is not the whole story, mismanagement and financial irresponsibility are rife in the Health Service ! Not just in the Health Service 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Is it fair to say it's failed just a year after it's been reshaped this way? I'm not saying your concerns aren't valid but I would have thought they'd have needed much more time (and a full compliment of staff) to change things. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 The stories I've heard about how the board conduct themselves, it is no surprise that it is now failing in a public capacity. Manx Care/its leadership is full of self interest and conducted in a same capacity that Alf would say was the 'old way of the civil service'. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 4 hours ago, 0bserver said: It seems the efforts to turn things around have failed. Waiting times are going up, costs are up. Maybe we need to accept that the current 'free' service based on the UK model is totally unsustainable? There seem to be more effective models around the world that don't have excessive waiting times. Should we adopt one of those? The "model" of free healthcare isn't the problem. Chronic underfunding and mismanagement is. It's an embarassment compared to the likes of Iceland, Denmark, Austria, Sweden, Switzerland etc. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 42 minutes ago, HeliX said: The "model" of free healthcare isn't the problem. Chronic underfunding and mismanagement is. It's an embarassment compared to the likes of Iceland, Denmark, Austria, Sweden, Switzerland etc. Well you could be in Channel Islands where you pay to see a doctor & if you attend A&E with sliding scale depending on time you attend & what treatment you need & pensioners have to pay!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Manx Care vacancies running a 20%, if you don’t have the staff the system will not work. Young Nurses and Doctors cannot afford to come here due to high rents. They need to provide reasonably priced accommodation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 You know MC has only been operating the NHS here for 15 months. It inherited a broken system in the midst of a pandemic. Its taken some good initiatives, but it’s like the proverbial oil tanker, it takes forever to stop or turn around. Give them a chance. There’s a UK wide shortage of Doctors & Nurses. As for accommodation, have you seen the extent of semis, maisonettes, and apartments, built on the Nobles estate, at Mwyllin y Dhoo Aah? 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 20% equates to how many ? Last I heard they were 80 medics short. Remember that there's supposed to be safe staffing ratios. So x number of staff per patient on wards for example. So basically they're operating unsafely. But at least they're trying to sort the problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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