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As a friend of mine said, without any intention of humour “I don’t care if someone is gay, I just don’t want it rammed down my throat”. Times have changed and whilst some prejudices still exist, the vast majority of us couldn’t care less if someone is gay, lesbian, bisexual or whatever. It’s irrelevant to our relationship with them in a personal or professional context. We are turning full circle again and reaching a point where sexuality and sexual preference is being seen as a defining characteristic. It isn’t and it shouldn’t be. A simple name on a badge is all we need to know. Pronouns are entirely irrelevant. 
I saw a photograph of someone at a Pride march wearing a multi-coloured costume with many penises attached to it. It occurred to me that humans are complex and supposedly intelligent creatures capable of fantastic creativity and innovation; capable of developing intense and loving relationships; exercising great care and compassion, as well as great evil. But there was a man parading himself in public and happy at reducing himself to a representation of an erect cock. It’s sadly pathetic and indicative of an identification based on only a passing and trivial aspect of existence. In an age where trivia, presentation and gesture are more important than substance, badges and cheese packaging take on additional “meaning”.  It doesn’t really matter to me and I’m sorry it does to others. 

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13 hours ago, Boris Johnson said:

FFS, Is this a joke?

There is about as much need for this as there is for a special IOM cheese supporting Penguin rights in the Southern hemisphere.

WHY?

I REALLY MEAN WHY?

 

 

 

Marketing. 

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12 hours ago, John Wright said:

No, but the junior bank worker, and all the bank staff up to Branch Manager, CEO and chair, are entitled to be shown respect and referred to by their correct chosen pronoun, whether it be he/him, she/her, or they/them.

 

I put he/him/his on my internal phonebook. At first I was uncomfortable doing this because I thought it would look like I was saying that something was wrong with she/her/hers, like I would be insulted to be misgendered. And also I worried that it would force trans people to identify before they were ready. However a trans woman told me that if CIS folk identify their gender it makes it unexceptional for them. It's really no difference to a name badge saying Mr Joe Bloggs or Mrs Jo Bloggs. 

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8 minutes ago, Declan said:

However a trans woman told me that if CIS folk identify their gender it makes it unexceptional for them. It's really no difference to a name badge saying Mr Joe Bloggs or Mrs Jo Bloggs. 

I think the whole thing is fairly pointless and just a silly fad to be honest. What’s wrong with just using someone’s name? We’re all used to name badges. Why do I have to have some sort of guide to someones preferred gender pronoun on top? To me it’s just silly and pointless. I don’t need to know how someone chooses to identify themself in order to interact with them in a respectful way in any setting? 

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38 minutes ago, joebean said:

As a friend of mine said, without any intention of humour “I don’t care if someone is gay, I just don’t want it rammed down my throat”. Times have changed and whilst some prejudices still exist, the vast majority of us couldn’t care less if someone is gay, lesbian, bisexual or whatever. It’s irrelevant to our relationship with them in a personal or professional context. We are turning full circle again and reaching a point where sexuality and sexual preference is being seen as a defining characteristic. It isn’t and it shouldn’t be. A simple name on a badge is all we need to know. Pronouns are entirely irrelevant. 
I saw a photograph of someone at a Pride march wearing a multi-coloured costume with many penises attached to it. It occurred to me that humans are complex and supposedly intelligent creatures capable of fantastic creativity and innovation; capable of developing intense and loving relationships; exercising great care and compassion, as well as great evil. But there was a man parading himself in public and happy at reducing himself to a representation of an erect cock. It’s sadly pathetic and indicative of an identification based on only a passing and trivial aspect of existence. In an age where trivia, presentation and gesture are more important than substance, badges and cheese packaging take on additional “meaning”.  It doesn’t really matter to me and I’m sorry it does to others. 

Hit the nail on the head.  I and most people couldn't care less if you're gay, bi, tri, are called Steve but want to be Stephanie, wear whatever you want.    It's more the fact that it is now deemed as something that is a defining characteristic segregates you willing from the 'normals' when surely everyone just wants to be treated the same.  Everyone wants to be special nowadays and this just seems to be another way of setting yourself apart from others.  

You wouldn't have your religion on your name badge, so why your pronoun?  For instance if I'm dealing with a Hindu, I might use the honorific Sri instead of Mr.  Or I might not.  I can't see how they would be that bothered either way. 

If Mr Steve wants to be Mrs Steve not a problem, but frankly I'll just call them Steve.  Who really uses formal Mr & Mrs etc nowadays anyway in day to day life unless you're in Court or something?  

24 minutes ago, Declan said:

Marketing. 

Gay washing... 

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22 minutes ago, Steady Eddie said:

I think the whole thing is fairly pointless and just a silly fad to be honest. What’s wrong with just using someone’s name? We’re all used to name badges. Why do I have to have some sort of guide to someones preferred gender pronoun on top? To me it’s just silly and pointless. I don’t need to know how someone chooses to identify themself in order to interact with them in a respectful way in any setting? 

Only that you need to know how to address them without their name he, she or they.

I was on a staff Zoom (a comedian was doing an online gig) thing earlier this year.  Everyone's preferred pronoun was next to their name.  There was someone online whose preferred pronoun was not obvious from their physical presentation.  Given it was a social event and meant to be a pleasure and do some team building and morale boosting , it was easy just to take note and refer to them by their preference.

 

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4 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

I like that headline though. 

They can stick their pronouns up their/his/her a**e. 

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9 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Only that you need to know how to address them without their name he, she or they.

I literally couldn’t care and I don’t know why I’m expected to care? People have names so what’s wrong with just using peoples names to address them with? And to be honest the only thing a they/them pronoun suggests to me is that someone probably has serious mental health issues to want to refer to themselves in the third person. And I’m sure that’s the same for a lot of people.

Anyway back to the cheese. I’ll be doing my bit by buying some gay cheese so that the 10% premium I pay on already expensive cheese goes to support Pride. It’s a sad marketing gimmick and nothing else. 

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9 hours ago, offshoremanxman said:

No you’ve clearly run out of argument. 

There is no bloody argument except in your head. Company does something good - offshoremanxman takes offence. You are the quintessential Victor Meldrew

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5 minutes ago, Steady Eddie said:

I literally couldn’t care and I don’t know why I’m expected to care? People have names so what’s wrong with just using peoples names to address them with? And to be honest the only thing a they/them pronoun suggests to me is that someone probably has serious mental health issues to want to refer to themselves in the third person. And I’m sure that’s the same for a lot of people.

Anyway back to the cheese. I’ll be doing my bit by buying some gay cheese so that the 10% premium I pay on already expensive cheese goes to support Pride. It’s a sad marketing gimmick and nothing else. 

Do you exclusively use their names?  Most people use the name first to identify who they are talking about, then pronouns. 

 

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Just now, Passing Time said:

There is no bloody argument except in your head. Company does something good - offshoremanxman takes offence. You are the quintessential Victor Meldrew

Yes  but he was funny. 

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1 hour ago, Amadeus said:

Unbrielievably so. 

Sweet dreams are made of cheese, who am I to diss-a-brie, I cheddar the world and the feta cheese, everybody's looking for Stilton

 

with thanks to the Eurythmics...

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1 hour ago, joebean said:

As a friend of mine said, without any intention of humour “I don’t care if someone is gay, I just don’t want it rammed down my throat”.

That's quite often code for "I don't think I'm homophobic but I don't want to see gay people represented in media, or out holding hands with each other in the street."

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