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7 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Is it a choice?

Of course it’s a choice in a lot of cases and a lot of it is purely attention seeking. If we continue on the theme of dopey Dave above. He should be a grown up and perhaps accept being misgendered every now and then and not crying about it as that’s life if you choose to call yourself Dave and you look like a bloke. 

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Are we overthinking this? In a face to face conversation there will only be a requirement for the pronoun 'You', in a latter conversation with a colleague, it may be required to refer to He/She in the past tense but at this point the person is out of sight, so cannot be offended by the mis gendering?

There are probably few occasions  when mis gendering of the pronoun would actually offend the recipient or require second thoughts from the pronouncers???

I can't think of a conversational situation that would require gender specific reference? Written, maybe?

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5 minutes ago, Kopek said:

Are we overthinking this? In a face to face conversation there will only be a requirement for the pronoun 'You', in a latter conversation with a colleague, it may be required to refer to He/She in the past tense but at this point the person is out of sight, so cannot be offended by the mis gendering?

There are probably few occasions  when mis gendering of the pronoun would actually offend the recipient or require second thoughts from the pronouncers???

I can't think of a conversational situation that would require gender specific reference? Written, maybe?

 

People who make an issue of this pronoun business are being overly precious.

I wouldn’t pay it much heed.

There’s a lot more important stuff going on in the world that deserves more attention.

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No, there is a point,, does someone want to be called Sharon or Shar...on? but of course, mispronunciation of aa name is different mis gendering?

Why? I'm too old to answer that!!!!

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3 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Gladys

We have managed to address people perfectly well for decades if not centuries, whilst still maintaining courtesy and respect for those you deal with , without all this nonsense.

Why now is this all becoming an issue?

Probably because people keep calling their lives "nonsense".

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3 hours ago, offshoremanxman said:

Of course it’s a choice in a lot of cases and a lot of it is purely attention seeking. If we continue on the theme of dopey Dave above. He should be a grown up and perhaps accept being misgendered every now and then and not crying about it as that’s life if you choose to call yourself Dave and you look like a bloke. 

Is being gay a choice?

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4 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Is being gay a choice?

To be honest this thread is a wreck but what has being gay got to do with pronouns? Being gay is about acknowledging your sexual orientation. It’s got very little to do with pronouns or gender expression. 

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1 minute ago, Newsdesk said:

To be honest this thread is a wreck but what has being gay got to do with pronouns? Being gay is about acknowledging your sexual orientation. It’s got very little to do with pronouns or gender expression. 

Because a few decades ago it was in the same position. People refusing to acknowledge it was anything but a "mental illness". People refusing to believe people could be born that way. People refusing to treat each other with respect.

In both instances it's fucking stupid.

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1 minute ago, HeliX said:

Because a few decades ago it was in the same position.

But being gay has nothing to do with any pronouns anyone might choose to use at work or anywhere else. You don’t need to address a gay person any differently in the work place to especially acknowledge their gay status. This whole thread is a load of overtly woke wank as it stands to be honest. 

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Just now, Newsdesk said:

But being gay has nothing to do with any pronouns anyone might choose to use at work or anywhere else. You don’t need to address a gay person any differently in the work place to especially acknowledge their gay status. This whole thread is a load of overtly woke wank as it stands to be honest. 

But being gay is similar to being trans, or indeed straight or cis. In that it's not chosen (quite the opposite, a lot of people who are gay or trans desperately wish they weren't). And people treat them inhumanely despite that. Stupid.

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Just now, HeliX said:

But being gay is similar to being trans, or indeed straight or cis.

No it isn’t and a lot of the pronouns and trans debate I think discredits what gay people have fought so hard for in the last 40 years. How is being trans the same as being gay? It isn’t really is it? If you’re a trans women and you’re in a relationship with a man then your conforming to a heteronormative relationship model so you’re not in a same sex relationship (ie, gay). So it’s not the same at all. It’s your assigned gender and the way people treat you that’s the issue not your really your sexual preferences which you can’t change. I’d say now being trans is probably more socially acceptable then being gay ever was. As you’re perhaps being seen as conforming to societal norms more by changing your sex to match what society broadly expects when it comes to relationship profiles. This is where a lot of the Pride crowd really need to have a serious think on the trans issue as it really is not the same as what they have relentlessly fought for. 

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