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14 hours ago, Gladys said:

But how will that work even if T W Cain, who is likely elsewhere? He would have had to deal with the Lord of Mann, anyway.   

We are a Crown Dependency, that's it.  To change that is to change our entire constitutional position.  That is my point really. 

But nobody is talking about not being a Crown dependency, merely scrapping the title of Lord of Mann. If we're dependent on another country why do we need a head of state? It makes no sense at all. The Queen or King or whoever would still be head of state for the country we're "dependent" on, but we wouldn't have a head of state because, not being a sovereign state , we simply don't need one - it serves no purpose whatsoever.

I see you're playing the constitution card as normal when anyone dares to question anything vaguely British, as if our constitution is set in stone (it's not even written down) and as if it can never be changed in the slightest way, even to better reflect the changing society and political direction of the island.

Constitutional reform is long, long overdue on this island, why bother modernising other legislation if our entire constitution is mired in archaic irrelevance, why bother striving for a more inclusive and egalitarian society if we are to continue with the costly charade of an unnecessary head of state whose appointment represents the complete opposite.

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1 hour ago, Roxanne said:

I went onto Ebay yesterday and was met with a black screen and and mourning message saying they were sorry for my loss.

This latest guff is less about virtue signalling (although it's still there) and more about everyone covering their back in case they get piled on.

I bloody hate social media.

That display of Baked Beans is like a shrine, especially with the photo and message of condolence. 
 

Manx Radios website is still draped in black, presumably till after the funeral? 

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15 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said:

But nobody is talking about not being a Crown dependency, merely scrapping the title of Lord of Mann. If we're dependent on another country why do we need a head of state? It makes no sense at all. The Queen or King or whoever would still be head of state for the country we're "dependent" on, but we wouldn't have a head of state because, not being a sovereign state , we simply don't need one - it serves no purpose whatsoever.

I see you're playing the constitution card as normal when anyone dares to question anything vaguely British, as if our constitution is set in stone (it's not even written down) and as if it can never be changed in the slightest way, even to better reflect the changing society and political direction of the island.

Constitutional reform is long, long overdue on this island, why bother modernising other legislation if our entire constitution is mired in archaic irrelevance, why bother striving for a more inclusive and egalitarian society if we are to continue with the costly charade of an unnecessary head of state whose appointment represents the complete opposite.

You seem very angry, but I still cannot see what you are advocating more or less independence?   Do you mean that we should no longer have Royal Assent for legislation? 

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1 hour ago, A fool and his money..... said:

But nobody is talking about not being a Crown dependency, merely scrapping the title of Lord of Mann. If we're dependent on another country why do we need a head of state? It makes no sense at all. The Queen or King or whoever would still be head of state for the country we're "dependent" on, but we wouldn't have a head of state because, not being a sovereign state , we simply don't need one - it serves no purpose whatsoever.

I see you're playing the constitution card as normal when anyone dares to question anything vaguely British, as if our constitution is set in stone (it's not even written down) and as if it can never be changed in the slightest way, even to better reflect the changing society and political direction of the island.

Constitutional reform is long, long overdue on this island, why bother modernising other legislation if our entire constitution is mired in archaic irrelevance, why bother striving for a more inclusive and egalitarian society if we are to continue with the costly charade of an unnecessary head of state whose appointment represents the complete opposite.

Poor old angry Manx nationalist can't get his head around the "British Crown Dependency" bit. It's the Isle of Man's USP and everyone sensible knows it. The Island wouldn't be viable as a sovereign state. Imagine how much the new embassies in London, Washington and Beijing would cost?

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1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

It's not social media that they're afraid of, but the conventional ones, especially the London papers.

(I suspect the Royals are almost as bemused as the rest of us).

I would also add that it is not just the sycophantic conventional media that are pressuring everyone to behave as if they were feeling totally inconsolable. This also fits the narrative of opportunistic (mostly right-wing) politicians and their backers as they attempt to re-define what it means to be 'patriotic'. Keeping ‘The Firm’ going also serves their interests, and vice versa.

Brexit accentuated bonkers flag waving, whether people wish to admit it or not. 

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23 minutes ago, Augustus said:

Poor old angry Manx nationalist can't get his head around the "British Crown Dependency" bit. It's the Isle of Man's USP and everyone sensible knows it. The Island wouldn't be viable as a sovereign state. Imagine how much the new embassies in London, Washington and Beijing would cost?

In the world of the Manx Nationalists there would be no need to travel apart from the occasional day trip to LIverpoool to see how civilisation works. Maybe buy some of that brown sauce to spice up the spuds and salted herrin's.

The last few days has shown us all what it is to have a passport with The Crown emblazoned on it. Recognized and highly respected throughout the world.

An equivalent passport with a three legs may as well have a photo of some half eaten bonnag on it, the result would be the same - security and customs guards in every country laughing their cocks off.

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3 minutes ago, code99 said:

Keeping ‘The Firm’ going also serves their interests, and vice versa.

So you do not see that keeping said firm going is very much in your interests too? All of our interests. You should carefully think about the alternative society.

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