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3 minutes ago, manxfisherman said:

No I certainly do not, I'm not sure why you think that. I'd have them all shot if I were in charge.

It's just the old 'the grass isn't always greener' is worth thinking about. It is my view that getting rid of Britain's constitutional monarchy in favour of a republic could very easily make things worse.

It could also make things better. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

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53 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said:

Not here he wasn't, and I severely doubt he ever would be.

Are we conveniently forgetting the thousand years of violence presided over by the British monarchy? The slavery, the colonialism, the endless war faring?

The union jack is still known in many part of the world as the butcher's apron. 

None of those monarchs were democratically elected, all were hereditary.

But let's ignore those thousand years and concentrate on four years of Trump on the other side of the world. 

You're being slightly hysterical.

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1 hour ago, A fool and his money..... said:

No he wasn't he was appointed by Hindenburg.

I really don't know what you people are so scared of. I get you like the current or last monarch and that's fine, your views would be taken into account - that's the whole point of democracy. It seems obvious to me that what you're objecting to is other people's views also being taken into account, very similar to Hitler in that respect.

The "I think things should be like this because I'm right and you're wrong" argument could is completely non-sensical, imagine using it in any other context than the monarchy, I bet you can't.

Democracy is not something to be afraid of - and if you are afraid of it as many royalists seem to be, it makes it all the more necessary. 

REICHSTAG ELECTION
JULY 31 1932
Party vote %
National Socialist 13,745,800 37.4
Social Democratic 7,959,700 21.6
Communist 5,282,600 14.6
Center 4,589,300 12.5
Nationalist 2,177,400 5.9
Bavarian People's 1,192,700 3.2
Other parties 2,074,000 5.4



 

REICHSTAG ELECTION
NOVEMBER 6 1932
Party vote %
National Socialist 11,737,000 33.1
Social Democratic 7,248,000 20.4
Communist 5,980,000 16.9
Center 4,231,000 11.9
Nationalist 2,959,000 8.8
Bavarian People's 1,095,000 3.1
Other parties 2,635,000 7.6



 

REICHSTAG ELECTION
MARCH 1933
Party vote %
National Socialist 17,277,000 43.9
Social Democratic 7,182,000 18.3
Communist 4,848,000 12.3
Center 4,425,000 11.7
Nationalist 3,137,000 8.0
Bavarian People's 1,074,000 2.7
Other parties 1,533,000 3.8
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25 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

Charles III will be a failure as a King anyway. This is a man who flies into a rage at an overly inky pen on his first day at work. Give it a few years and he’ll probably abdicate after a whole host of Commonwealth countries break away from the UK embarrassed by having such a complete knob as their head of state. 

Charles’s “legendary sense of entitlement is being closely watched”. That said, he is a 'famous eco-warrior' who believes that the greatest threat to humanity is climate change that results from humanity’s collective relentless destruction of the earth’s natural environment - very true. Alas, the new King is full of contradictions.

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8 minutes ago, Augustus said:
REICHSTAG ELECTION
JULY 31 1932
Party vote %
National Socialist 13,745,800 37.4
Social Democratic 7,959,700 21.6
Communist 5,282,600 14.6
Center 4,589,300 12.5
Nationalist 2,177,400 5.9
Bavarian People's 1,192,700 3.2
Other parties 2,074,000 5.4



 

REICHSTAG ELECTION
NOVEMBER 6 1932
Party vote %
National Socialist 11,737,000 33.1
Social Democratic 7,248,000 20.4
Communist 5,980,000 16.9
Center 4,231,000 11.9
Nationalist 2,959,000 8.8
Bavarian People's 1,095,000 3.1
Other parties 2,635,000 7.6



 

REICHSTAG ELECTION
MARCH 1933
Party vote %
National Socialist 17,277,000 43.9
Social Democratic 7,182,000 18.3
Communist 4,848,000 12.3
Center 4,425,000 11.7
Nationalist 3,137,000 8.0
Bavarian People's 1,074,000 2.7
Other parties 1,533,000 3.8

I don't know what point you're trying to make. Playing barbaric leader top trumps is not particularly helpful, and let's be honest, democratic leaders are never going to win that game.

You shouldn't be scared of other people's opinions.

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5 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said:

I don't know what point you're trying to make. Playing barbaric leader top trumps is not particularly helpful, and let's be honest, democratic leaders are never going to win that game.

You shouldn't be scared of other people's opinions.

I'm not scared of your opinion. It's just a silly one.

Nobody says hereditary monarchy is without flaws. The people involved are human. Why wouldn't they have flaws? However, they are also very popular with the ordinary people, notwithstanding what you and your Guardianista pals would have us believe. The monarchy with all its imperfections is a wonderfully British institution. Tamper with it at your peril.

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51 minutes ago, code99 said:

Don't worry @A fool and his money..... we can sit this one out. According to a recent UK opinion poll, less than 50% of the under 30s believe that British monarchy should continue unabated, even the over 50s are now less convinced...

I'd be genuinely interested in reading any links you can provide on this statement...

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1 minute ago, Augustus said:

 However, they are also very popular with the ordinary people,

So they shouldn't be democratically elected because they are so popular? 

That perfectly sums up the amount of logic that is applied to most royalist arguments.

Take a step back, get out of the 19th century, forget the nice little old lady smiling at children, put aside your British desire to remain important in the world. 

Then think about what you are defending objectively and rationally. Be honest with yourself, it's fucking mental isn't it?😀

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3 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said:

So they shouldn't be democratically elected because they are so popular? 

That perfectly sums up the amount of logic that is applied to most royalist arguments.

Take a step back, get out of the 19th century, forget the nice little old lady smiling at children, put aside your British desire to remain important in the world. 

Then think about what you are defending objectively and rationally. Be honest with yourself, it's fucking mental isn't it?😀

If you say so, bruv.

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16 minutes ago, Declan said:

According to this pole in June it’s 62% for a monarch and 22% for an elected head of state …

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/articles-reports/2022/06/01/platinum-jubilee-where-does-public-opinion-stand-m

Thanks for that Declan, fairly comprehensive on many levels. It would also be interesting how those opinions and numbers may've changed following QE2's demise. 

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I don't think the protest is supposed to simply anti-royalist but about the Isle of Man as an imperial possession and how it is an affront, or at least depressing, to Manx nationalists. Maybe it is a good for a bit of historical awareness for the Manx people. 

I sympathise with that somewhat but then the Island is so much like little England now that I doubt Manx nationalism has much traction.  And even many Manx people, maybe owing to lack of education in politics and history, don't remark upon the absurdity of Tynwald being a national day yet think it's appropriate to have the symbols of English imperialism present in the form of the armed forces and British dignitaries.

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