Please Sir can I have more!!

[Newsdesk]

19 minutes ago, Banker said:

FFS O’Neills quoting Howie now!!

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/teaching-union-wants-manx-solution-to-manx-problems/

She wants Manx solutions to Manx problems by paying people equivalent to UK rates of pay! 

[Harry Lamb]

3 hours ago, Asthehills said:

So wrong.

I earn more than any teacher in the island.  I work as much as I want to.  If I didn’t enjoy my job I could trim my hours right back, or get another job somewhere else.

I am two weeks away from collecting my latest fully expenses company vehicle which if I had to buy it would cost around 3 years if an average teachers salary.

Why would I be jealous?  I just resent their whining and innocent kids missing out because their incessant moaning and foot stamping.

And yet you have time to post paranoid crap on here by the minute? You repeat assertions, clearly don't know what you're talking about, and make silly, self-aggrandising boasts - straight out of the Trump playbook. BTW 3 times the salary of the headteacher at Ballakermeen is about £320 K so I call bullshit.

[Asthehills]

9 minutes ago, Harry Lamb said:

And yet you have time to post paranoid crap on here by the minute? You repeat assertions, clearly don't know what you're talking about, and make silly, self-aggrandising boasts - straight out of the Trump playbook. BTW 3 times the salary of the headteacher at Ballakermeen is about £320 K so I call bullshit.

Is reading not your strong point?  I blame the Manx education system and the lazy teachers.

[Newsdesk]

43 minutes ago, forestboy said:

What a gob she has. 
Should piss off back to Ireland 

She just has the ability to just get your back up. I attended an event she was at last year and frankly it’s hard to spend more than 2 minutes speaking to such an obnoxious know-all. I can see why she works for a union as she’s a table thumper in the typical union mold. As you say she should go back to norn iron and confine her brainless shouting to there.

[hissingsid]

There are many people who put less hours in and do less demanding work than teachers and get a lot more money of this there is little doubt but it is like comparing apples and pears some jobs pay more because in the line of business they are in that is the going rate, the same thing could be said about junior doctors and nurses they are not rewarded as much as they deserve.    Life is not fair I bet most tradesmen at the moment with the high demand can knock out more than someone who has done years at University etc and good luck to them.   Things are changing.   Some dog groomers are charging £50 a dog….good luck to them but they have the potential of earning far more than a nurse or teacher I am not saying this is wrong just pointing out how things are changing.   Teaching and nursing used to be viewed as a vocation there was never a lot of money in it but the teachers did not have the stress of dealing with the situations that arise today it was a highly respected position.

[Meoir Shee]

I’ve just done some digging.  I have compared my good lady’s payslip in Sept 2011 (the earliest she has to hand) with her payslip in Sept 2022, this includes the uplift to London Fringe +1% last year.  She does exactly the same job, paid at exactly the same scale at exactly the same point on that scale, full time, permanent, no change whatsoever.  The difference in Gross Pay is 17.02%, for clarity the Sept 2022 figure is 17.02% higher than the Sept 2011 figure.  This is not made up, this is a fact.  

The RPI index in Sept 2011 stood at 152.1.  In August 2022, last month, this figure stood at 234.2.  So the rate of RPI inflation in that period would be (234.2-152.1)/152.1, 82.1/152.1*100 =53.94%.  This, again, is a fact.

CPI is a slightly different measure, in Sept 2011 this stood at 117.3 and by Aug 2022 had risen to 149.5, a rise of 27.4%.  This, again, is a fact.  The Bank of England expects the annual inflation rate to remain c10% for the foreseeable future.

To summarize the above, between Sept 2011 and Aug 2022, RPI increased 53%, CPI 27%.

In the same period, average gross weekly wages on the IoM, according to the Annual Earnings Survey, rose from £601 in 2011 to £762 in 2021, a rise of 26.7% (as yet, no data for 2022).  This is, again, fact.

In the UK as a whole, for comparison, overall earnings rose from 145 (Sept 2011) to 195.5 (July 2022) on the ONS index, a rise of 34.8%.  Again, just facts.

In terms of housing, the latest IoM Housing Market Review shows average property prices rising by 29.6% between Dec 2011 and Dec 2021.  Again, just facts.

To summarize, between Sept 2011 and Sept 2022:

IoM Gross Weekly Wages increased 26% (does not include 2022, presume this would be somewhat higher now, UK rose 5.7% year on year to July 2022)

IoM RPI increased 54%

IoM CPI increased 27%

IoM Property Prices increased 29% (Dec 2011 to Dec 2021)

Her gross pay, doing exactly the same role at exactly the same scale in an Island school, increased 17% over those 11 years.  

No emotion, no lies, just facts.  I’ve provided as many links as I could to the various sources.

Note: There was a public sector pay freeze imposed in 2010 and all those figures would be even more unfavorable but I don’t have the exact figures to hand and wouldn’t like to be accused of misleading.

[Asthehills]

5 minutes ago, Meoir Shee said:

I’ve just done some digging.  I have compared my good lady’s payslip in Sept 2011 (the earliest she has to hand) with her payslip in Sept 2022, this includes the uplift to London Fringe +1% last year.  She does exactly the same job, paid at exactly the same scale at exactly the same point on that scale, full time, permanent, no change whatsoever.  The difference in Gross Pay is 17.02%, for clarity the Sept 2022 figure is 17.02% higher than the Sept 2011 figure.  This is not made up, this is a fact.  

The RPI index in Sept 2011 stood at 152.1.  In August 2022, last month, this figure stood at 234.2.  So the rate of RPI inflation in that period would be (234.2-152.1)/152.1, 82.1/152.1*100 =53.94%.  This, again, is a fact.

CPI is a slightly different measure, in Sept 2011 this stood at 117.3 and by Aug 2022 had risen to 149.5, a rise of 27.4%.  This, again, is a fact.  The Bank of England expects the annual inflation rate to remain c10% for the foreseeable future.

To summarize the above, between Sept 2011 and Aug 2022, RPI increased 53%, CPI 27%.

In the same period, average gross weekly wages on the IoM, according to the Annual Earnings Survey, rose from £601 in 2011 to £762 in 2021, a rise of 26.7% (as yet, no data for 2022).  This is, again, fact.

In the UK as a whole, for comparison, overall earnings rose from 145 (Sept 2011) to 195.5 (July 2022) on the ONS index, a rise of 34.8%.  Again, just facts.

In terms of housing, the latest IoM Housing Market Review shows average property prices rising by 29.6% between Dec 2011 and Dec 2021.  Again, just facts.

To summarize, between Sept 2011 and Sept 2022:

IoM Gross Weekly Wages increased 26% (does not include 2022, presume this would be somewhat higher now, UK rose 5.7% year on year to July 2022)

IoM RPI increased 54%

IoM CPI increased 27%

IoM Property Prices increased 29% (Dec 2011 to Dec 2021)

Her gross pay, doing exactly the same role at exactly the same scale in an Island school, increased 17% over those 11 years.  

No emotion, no lies, just facts.  I’ve provided as many links as I could to the various sources.

Note: There was a public sector pay freeze imposed in 2010 and all those figures would be even more unfavorable but I don’t have the exact figures to hand and wouldn’t like to be accused of misleading.

Is that significantly different to the situation for police, paramedics. Nurses, fire fighters etc?

[Steady Eddie]

47 minutes ago, Meoir Shee said:

I’ve just done some digging.  I have compared my good lady’s payslip in Sept 2011 (the earliest she has to hand) with her payslip in Sept 2022, this includes the uplift to London Fringe +1% last year.  She does exactly the same job, paid at exactly the same scale at exactly the same point on that scale, full time, permanent, no change whatsoever.  The difference in Gross Pay is 17.02%, for clarity the Sept 2022 figure is 17.02% higher than the Sept 2011 figure.  This is not made up, this is a fact.  

The RPI index in Sept 2011 stood at 152.1.  In August 2022, last month, this figure stood at 234.2.  So the rate of RPI inflation in that period would be (234.2-152.1)/152.1, 82.1/152.1*100 =53.94%.  This, again, is a fact.

This is the sort of silly public sector crap that really pisses me off. Do you think anyone else gets guaranteed inflation linked pay increases? Just because you got a pay increase that is not exactly the same amount as inflation does not mean you or anyone else got ripped off. People like you are honestly like children and I don’t think anyone with that sort of attitude actually lives in the real world. Would you be handing back part of your imaginary exactly at inflation rate pay rise if inflation dropped from 10% to 2% by the end of the current tax year? People like you will never be happy as you live in cloud-cuckoo land. 

[HeliX]

16 minutes ago, Steady Eddie said:

This is the sort of silly public sector crap that really pisses me off. Do you think anyone else gets guaranteed inflation linked pay increases? Just because you got a pay increase that is not exactly the same amount as inflation does not mean you or anyone else got ripped off. People like you are honestly like children and I don’t think anyone with that sort of attitude actually lives in the real world. Would you be handing back part of your imaginary exactly at inflation rate pay rise if inflation dropped from 10% to 2% by the end of the current tax year? People like you will never be happy as you live in cloud-cuckoo land. 

"IoM Gross Weekly Wages increased 26% (does not include 2022, presume this would be somewhat higher now, UK rose 5.7% year on year to July 2022)"

"Her gross pay, doing exactly the same role at exactly the same scale in an Island school, increased 17% over those 11 years."

So yes, other professions outstripped teaching significantly. 

[AcousticallyChallenged]

1 hour ago, Asthehills said:

Is that significantly different to the situation for police, paramedics. Nurses, fire fighters etc?

So they shouldn’t be paid fairly either? 

[Asthehills]

3 minutes ago, HeliX said:

"IoM Gross Weekly Wages increased 26% (does not include 2022, presume this would be somewhat higher now, UK rose 5.7% year on year to July 2022)"

"Her gross pay, doing exactly the same role at exactly the same scale in an Island school, increased 17% over those 11 years."

So yes, other professions outstripped teaching significantly. 

And some didn’t.

If they don’t like it they can always go and get a job somewhere that pays more, but they will be expected to work many more hours in a year.

[Asthehills]

1 minute ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

So they shouldn’t be paid fairly either? 

Nobody said that.  What is “fairly” for someone who works not far off 75% of a normal working year?

[AcousticallyChallenged]

21 minutes ago, Steady Eddie said:

This is the sort of silly public sector crap that really pisses me off. Do you think anyone else gets guaranteed inflation linked pay increases? Just because you got a pay increase that is not exactly the same amount as inflation does not mean you or anyone else got ripped off. People like you are honestly like children and I don’t think anyone with that sort of attitude actually lives in the real world. Would you be handing back part of your imaginary exactly at inflation rate pay rise if inflation dropped from 10% to 2% by the end of the current tax year? People like you will never be happy as you live in cloud-cuckoo land. 

Many companies will offer inflation matched pay rises. If not happily beyond. 

Some big firms got theirs in early this year, knowing that inflation was likely to get worse.

Shit job you’ve got if your pay is stagnant. 

[AcousticallyChallenged]

2 minutes ago, Asthehills said:

Nobody said that.  What is “fairly” for someone who works not far off 75% of a normal working year?

You seem to be fixated on this point. Would you take a 25% pay cut for the time off?

[AcousticallyChallenged]

4 minutes ago, Asthehills said:

Nobody said that.  What is “fairly” for someone who works not far off 75% of a normal working year?

Clearly, whatever they’re paid now wouldn’t count as that, given the shortage of teachers and the rest striking for more pay.