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1 minute ago, Banker said:

You have to work extremely hard & long hours training to be an accountant & very long hours during audit period of 4/5 months. Also you don’t get 13 weeks holidays or an index linked pension 

About 17 hours a week of study, while learning on the job and being paid more than a newly qualified teacher who has studied for 4 years racking up thousands in debt? Easy to see why lots more competition now for trainee accountant jobs and a recruitment and retention problem for teachers.

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7 minutes ago, Harry Lamb said:

About 17 hours a week of study, while learning on the job and being paid more than a newly qualified teacher who has studied for 4 years racking up thousands in debt? Easy to see why lots more competition now for trainee accountant jobs and a recruitment and retention problem for teachers.

Vast majority of trainee accountants are graduates who have studied & wracked up as much debt as any other professional, the drop out rates due to work & more studying is much higher than teachers leaving 

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9 minutes ago, Harry Lamb said:

About 17 hours a week of study, while learning on the job and being paid more than a newly qualified teacher who has studied for 4 years racking up thousands in debt? Easy to see why lots more competition now for trainee accountant jobs and a recruitment and retention problem for teachers.

This whole thing about years racking up debt applies to absolutely everyone who has done a degree. It’s not specific to teachers at all. Most accountants will also have done a degree and you probably want to to some research on starting pay for junior accountants before you trot out the same old tired arguments. We get it - you’ve got a degree woo hoo! That was your choice. 

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1 hour ago, Wavey Davey said:

This whole thing about years racking up debt applies to absolutely everyone who has done a degree. It’s not specific to teachers at all. Most accountants will also have done a degree and you probably want to to some research on starting pay for junior accountants before you trot out the same old tired arguments. We get it - you’ve got a degree woo hoo! That was your choice. 

But, that debt can be far more valuable in some areas rather than others.

That's why you can get bursaries to be a teacher, not many accountant bursaries led by the Government.

https://getintoteaching.education.gov.uk/funding-and-support/scholarships-and-bursaries

Only takes a 2:2 for the 25k.

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12 hours ago, Asthehills said:

Fair enough, but fact is if teachers here are at the food bank then that is because they can’t manage a budget.  Plenty of people manage on less.

I would actually go as far as to say that anyone on a teachers wage who iis dependant on a food bank doesn’t have the necessary life skills to be teaching our kids.

Are you for real? You’re having a laugh, right?

In the UK - nurses, teachers, i.e. people who are considered to be middle class, have already been frequenting foodbanks; not because they’re poor at budgeting, but because the cost of their essentials has become horrendous. Rents alone are so high that many millions of people don’t have much money left over to pay for other things. Unfortunately, the Island is heading in that direction too. Just wait until base interest rate will get to 6% (as the City boys and girls are predicting) and gas bills start surging and property repossessions start kicking in. Then we shall see how many more clients foodbanks will acquire and what type of clientele they will be.        

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2 minutes ago, code99 said:

Are you for real? You’re having a laugh, right?

In the UK - nurses, teachers, i.e. people who are considered to be middle class, have already been frequenting foodbanks; not because they’re poor at budgeting, but because the cost of their essentials has become horrendous. Rents alone are so high that many millions of people don’t have much money left over to pay for other things. Unfortunately, the Island is heading in that direction too. Just wait until base interest rate will get to 6% (as the City boys and girls are predicting) and gas bills start surging and property repossessions start kicking in. Then we shall see how many more clients foodbanks will acquire and what type of clientele they will be.        

You are talking about then, we are talking about now.  The issues you are expecting will impact far more than just teachers (this is the bit teachers seem to struggle with)

The fact remains that any teacher using a food bank now, 3 months ago or 6 months ago can’t manage their finances.  If people on 25k or more have to resort to food banks in a few months then the government have a much bigger issue than teachers pay to deal with and as stated previously will have to do something to help everyone.

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On 9/27/2022 at 8:01 AM, Hoops said:

What sort of pay rise do we actually need to give teachers, nurses etc to make them want to live and work here?

Because until we have genuinely affordable housing, for many we are not an attractive proposition.

Someone made a great point at the weekend- unaffordable energy is a national crisis, unaffordable housing is a cause for celebration.

This.

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6 minutes ago, Willy Brennan said:

The Nasuwt affiliated teachers and Geraldine are have a meeting from 4pm at BHS to discuss their options.

 

Won’t they still all be very busy at 4pm doing their jobs?  4pm doesn’t seem like long to finish your days work in Ramsey or Peel and travel to Douglas 

Surely this stuff should be in their own time?

Its little things like this that in my view show a lack of awareness.

Do it at 7pm in a neutral paid for venue

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11 minutes ago, Willy Brennan said:

The Nasuwt affiliated teachers and Geraldine are have a meeting from 4pm at BHS to discuss their options.

 

Is this pre or post this week’s planned meeting with DESC?

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8 hours ago, Banker said:

Vast majority of trainee accountants are graduates who have studied & wracked up as much debt as any other professional, the drop out rates due to work & more studying is much higher than teachers leaving 

Just interviewed 5 candidates for an Accountancy Apprenticeship.   Not one has a degree and all feel that the apprenticeship route is better than going to university and studying for a degree.

Before you get all snooty the candidates all have good A level grades and could easily go to University. 

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54 minutes ago, Banker said:

All of them want inflation linked pay rises but who pays for them plus the extra pension costs, the public!!

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/negotiations-to-continue-into-pay-and-working-conditions/

They can overwhelmingly piss off. Strike action is the only way forward now. Bring it on and see how much of the public still struggling to hold down jobs after lockdown give a shit about your greedy requests. 

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