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24 minutes ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said:

Heard that an apartment block close to Manx Radio and one at the former Crescent Leisure Centre are not on a fortnightly collection 

I think that’s fair enough. Flats need to be treated differently, how much green waste would they have been putting into general waste anyway? 

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30 minutes ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said:

Heard that an apartment block close to Manx Radio and one at the former Crescent Leisure Centre are not on a fortnightly collection 

You may have heard wrong there. 

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43 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Perhaps I can make a contribution towards the discussions of  frequency of rubbish collections within the Douglas Borough Council area?

Although I live in Ramsey and some may say therefore I have no skin in the game I am sure Councils and Commissioners throughout the Island monitor the policies of the other and see if they can apply them there ( God forbid)

We are a household of two and some years ago had our green refuse bin replaced by a smaller capacity ( not sure by how much) blue one.

We have weekly collections. By the time of the collection our bill is usually 80-85% full. And the bin men/ refuse collectors are very good at emptying the bin.

Between collections I probably make one trip to the recycle, re use, rubbish facility a mile or two up the road, usually combining with a trip to the supermarket. Staff at the facility are ace and depending on when you go there is no significant queue.

However if our household consisted of more than two people we would have a problem getting all the weekly waste generated into the household bin. Certainly if collection went to fortnightly it would be impossible. And I would feel very pissed of about it. ( But wouldn’t even think to mention the nationality of any of the Commissioners into it)
 

Just thought I would give another view from another district for comparison.

Yes , I was wrong bringing nationality into it , but wasn't meant in anyway derogation,  more so pointing out where the ideas may have came from . But the upset and struggle this is causing my large family , going from 8 bins a month to 2 is breaking me . I don't want ny children brought up in filth 

 

45 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Perhaps I can make a contribution towards the discussions of  frequency of rubbish collections within the Douglas Borough Council area?

Although I live in Ramsey and some may say therefore I have no skin in the game I am sure Councils and Commissioners throughout the Island monitor the policies of the other and see if they can apply them there ( God forbid)

We are a household of two and some years ago had our green refuse bin replaced by a smaller capacity ( not sure by how much) blue one.

We have weekly collections. By the time of the collection our bill is usually 80-85% full. And the bin men/ refuse collectors are very good at emptying the bin.

Between collections I probably make one trip to the recycle, re use, rubbish facility a mile or two up the road, usually combining with a trip to the supermarket. Staff at the facility are ace and depending on when you go there is no significant queue.

However if our household consisted of more than two people we would have a problem getting all the weekly waste generated into the household bin. Certainly if collection went to fortnightly it would be impossible. And I would feel very pissed of about it. ( But wouldn’t even think to mention the nationality of any of the Commissioners into it)
 

Just thought I would give another view from another district for comparison.

Yeah your right I shouldn't of , but I was only truly pointing out where to idea may have came from . The fact my family,  child and grandchildren have gone from 8 bins a month to 2 is truly upsetting me and causing a lot of stress . The ring douglas council just isn't true . I've phoned and been told it's a big list of visits . I've also been in contact with Falk and he's never got back to me after saying he would . Having 7 children and 2 adults in a house really doesn't need to be assessed, with common sense it should be obvious two bins at least are necessary.  No ones asking for much , just compromise 

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What I don’t understand is that, if only a handful of Douglas residents complain, and the overwhelming majority are happy with the new bin collection regime, then it is even more bewildering as to why DBC would not just provide a couple of extra bins to those few people who ask, without having an ugly spat on social media and causing unnecessary aggravation by sending a ‘bin inquisition’ to homes (this is clearly very upsetting to some vulnerable residents) ?

Looking at DBC Accounts it is difficult to figure out whether DBC are making money out of their recycling scheme or losing money hand over fist. Personally, I would be happy to pay extra charges for extra bins but I am not convinced that most of the recycling material that the residents dutifully put out for recycling actually does get recycled and converted into new products. I know the DBC website says so, but I am a great believer in the old adage “Trust but Verify” – where is an official audit report of what is actually happening? E.g., somebody posted that only about 5% of recyclable glass gets recycled, which is obviously disappointing if it’s true. I have watched enough reputable TV programmes to know that some of the recycling schemes in the UK are little more than scams; e.g., stuff designated for recycling ends up being washed up on the beach in some poor country.

As has already been pointed out, recycling itself is not an energy reduction exercise i.e., doing this does not reduce harmful CO2 emissions, it increases them. The far more effective way of reducing/ eliminating rubbish is to radically reduce the consumption of plastics and similar materials and use biodegradable environment-friendly materials in everyday life – this will require a more joined up approach across governments and shops/ private enterprise.

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50 minutes ago, genericUserName said:

Stop buying so much packaging. Raw ingredients have almost zero packaging.

Let's hope they can gradually move to once a month over time.

That’s OK if all you buy is raw ingredients. Not many do It’s not practical.

So given that have you ever tried to buy unpackaged yoghurt? It’s not freely available in Ramsey

I think most people would be happy to loose unessential packaging. You need to target the sellers not the likes of me.

Lets hope they stick to weekly collections. It seems to work.

 

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

If you let me have your address I’m quite happy to drop my packaging at your front door ( and that includes my dogs poo which I pick up from the garden and put in our refuse bin. I’m afraid that doesn’t come out packaged)

You can get miniature septic tanks for that now. Ideal for people with gardens.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dooley-3000-Septic-Tank-Style-Pet-Waste-Disposal/dp/B0002DI35E/ref=sr_1_1?crid=24XXPQLNDEKTJ&keywords=doggie+dooley&qid=1669673008&sprefix=doggie+dool%2Caps%2C79&sr=8-1

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Just returned from moving my bin to the end of the lane, full, of two weeks rubbish with the lid unable to be fully closed. Other bins are gathered around in a worse state, with bags spilling out, ready for the morning seagulls. The smell is horrendous, bound to attract the rats and other vermin. Usually there are not as many bins in the club so I assume that a few may manage comfortably on a two week cycle, I normally could but I missed the last collection as I got out of step with the schedule.

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Four of us including a toddler in nappies. Haven’t had a problem with fortnightly  and one bin but have got space outside for four recycling boxes which get used much more. Spend more time separating stuff than I used to esp. plastic and boxes. Not a problem.
 

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The reality is that the island needs centralised refuse collection and recycling. There should be scale savings for both, in terms of equipment, staffing, admin, sale on of recyclables.

I could manage with one standard bin a fortnight if we had sensible recycling collection facilities.

The 360l bigger bin helps me, but, I can’t move it to the bottom of the drive, so the collectors have to pick it up from and return it to the door. Takes longer. 2 x 240l I can get to the bottom of the drive and bring back.

Yes, I’ve got a drive. I could store a paper/card bin, a metal bin, a plastics bin, a glass bin.

For people who haven’t got drives or storage areas, terraced streets, etc, then it’s on street centralised recycling receptacles for every 50-100 homes.

Ive no objection to rinsing out bottles and plastic tubs, or pre sorting. I already do it in Spain and Bulgaria. We have colour coded bins in the kitchen. We compost anything we can. We’ve also got a kitchen sink waste disposal unit for non compostable food waste and I mix in shredded office paper waste with the compost. Get a really good mulch.

I suspect that such a system, with sorting and cleaning centrally would be better from an economic point of view especially for selling on. Selling on will inevitably be off island.

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I don’t know what the cost of recycling across the island is…the full cost. Does anyone. It should obviously be centralised. It might also prove most cost effective just to burn it all in the incinerator depending on prices at the time. 
 

but once you’ve done that what else would get centralised? Housing? Again, clearly it should be centralised with an all island rate and those in more rural areas with fewer services having a discount. 

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