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This is an accurate explanation of the law in England. It’s the same in IoM ( references will be to PPP rather than PACE.

Generally looks to comply with law. Arrested, cuffed, taken to a room for search. There is no need, in law, to advise a parent or have an appropriate adult present.

Theres been some heavy duty policing at both sea terminal and airport this last few weeks, with outbound money and inbound drugs intercepted.

All the police have to have is reasonable grounds for suspicion. That can be regular journeys for short periods ( @Frances and @monasqueen beware ), the people you’ve travelled, or are travelling, with, who you stayed with, who dropped you off or who you sat with whilst waiting. Often it’s intelligence and forensically led from either side of the sea.

Shes entitled to legal aid as a non resident, as long as she meets the financial means limits and there is a case that’s proper to pursue in fact and law. She may have a problem there.

 

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36 minutes ago, John Wright said:

This is an accurate explanation of the law in England. It’s the same in IoM ( references will be to PPP rather than PACE.

Generally looks to comply with law. Arrested, cuffed, taken to a room for search. There is no need, in law, to advise a parent or have an appropriate adult present.

Theres been some heavy duty policing at both sea terminal and airport this last few weeks, with outbound money and inbound drugs intercepted.

All the police have to have is reasonable grounds for suspicion. That can be regular journeys for short periods ( @Frances and @monasqueen beware ), the people you’ve travelled, or are travelling, with, who you stayed with, who dropped you off or who you sat with whilst waiting. Often it’s intelligence and forensically led from either side of the sea.

Shes entitled to legal aid as a non resident, as long as she meets the financial means limits and there is a case that’s proper to pursue in fact and law. She may have a problem there.

 

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Thanks mate. Good info there 

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2 hours ago, cissolt said:

There is zero security at Heysham, no vehicle checks, no ID checks.  Why is the outbound security so heavy?  Surely drugs coming in is a bigger issue than cash going out?

You would assume that not getting paid for the stuff you have successfully imported to the island, is another way of trying to exercise control !

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7 hours ago, A fool and his money..... said:

The grounds are a bit sparse. Suspicion. Suspicion of what?

Suspicion of money laundering. It’s got to be intelligence led. I’ve given examples above.

3 hours ago, cissolt said:

There is zero security at Heysham, no vehicle checks, no ID checks.  Why is the outbound security so heavy?  Surely drugs coming in is a bigger issue than cash going out?

There is a police presence. But Lancs Constabulary aren’t all that concerned, in their bigger picture, with drugs leaving their patch. There’s lots of shared intel between Lancs and Manx forces, lots of tip offs. Manx police can only police Manx soil. The flow of drugs and cash are just two sides of the same illegal drugs trade. Lancs are happy to leave Manx matters to the IoM. There isn’t an offence of being concerned in exporting controlled drugs ( although if caught at Heysham it’s still PWITS )

8 minutes ago, asitis said:

You would assume that not getting paid for the stuff you have successfully imported to the island, is another way of trying to exercise control !

Exactly

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1 hour ago, TheTeapot said:

16 year old girl has unpleasant experience with the police = nothing to see here.

 

 

1 hour ago, 2bees said:

Pretty terrifying for the girl, the police think this is normal, it is to them but the majority of people aren’t used to police searches and would be totally unnerved by this kind of search. It’s a no win situation, the police have a job to do.

 

The way it is done is the difference. The body worn video is the only thing that will answer that. 

The way things are relayed to parents often is markedly different from what actually happened. Either way, we won't get to know

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2 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

16 year old girl has unpleasant experience with the police = nothing to see here.

 

 

1 hour ago, 2bees said:

Pretty terrifying for the girl, the police think this is normal, it is to them but the majority of people aren’t used to police searches and would be totally unnerved by this kind of search. It’s a no win situation, the police have a job to do.

 

I am torn over this.  I can imagine that this was a horrible experience for the girl involved and I am sure it would upset most parents.

On the other hand I can also see why the Police may be suspicious of a teenager travelling alone given the increase in County Lines Gangs and their use of children to transport drugs, sell drugs and bring back cash.  These gangs are wicked and really exploit young people into a crime and take them away from their families.  

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