Evolutionary Science And Its Implications

[Slim]

so here is a much more credible authority on life elsewhere in the universe and the question of "have we been visited?"

 

Great link, enjoyed that.

[Lao]

did you see how long it took him to answer that one question. i cannot express my deep gratitude to that man for the tremendous efforts he goes to to share his knowledge with us, it would be much easier and no one would think the less of him if he avoided the exhausting effort these seminars must be for him.

 

perhaps sharing this video was a step towards appreciation.

[Slim]

did you see how long it took him to answer that one question. i cannot express my deep gratitude to that man for the tremendous efforts he goes to to share his knowledge with us, it would be much easier and no one would think the less of him if he avoided the exhausting effort these seminars must be for him.

 

perhaps sharing this video was a step towards appreciation.

 

I can't begin to understand how he drives himself to do it. My life is filled with excuses for not doing stuff, but he can barely move and he comes up with that? I'm ashamed!

 

It's also desperately sad that genuinely brilliant minds like his are discounted in these internet fuelled conspiracy storms, where nutters wind themselves up in mysteries and speculation and turn them into evidence of something that didn't actually happen. There's very real brilliant discoveries, theres fascinating science that's very difficult to begin to understand , there's even more deeper and challenging mysteries that we haven't come close to cracking. Learn about them and give up on spots of ice on a blurry old camera!

[manxman2]

Whats the quietest album in the world?.......

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stephen Hawking Unplugged.

[Slim]

Whats the quietest album in the world?.......

 

 

Bet you do.

 

Damn, Ans wins!

[Slim]

yep i did it in my only I.D. here slim.

unlike you and ans i dont need to have several alt I.D.s to pat myself on the back with. .. however i could have if i actually give a fuck what you or ans thought.

 

What other user am I or ans patting ourselves on the back with?

[manxman2]

yep i did it in my only I.D. here slim.

 

unlike you and ans i dont need to have several alt I.D.s to pat myself on the back with. .. however i could have if i actually give a fuck what you or ans thought.

[Lao]

i fail to see the relevence sock puppet accounts have to either of the ongoing discussions here, religion dogma or the possibility of alien life.

 

my account on manxforums is my only one and is also not annoymous. i have been honest about my identity here because i only joined to add news about my mixed martial arts team in the sports section, and to give advice on the threads that start "im thinking of joining a martial arts class, any suggestions...."

 

i have however stayed on the manxforums because i enjoy the chatter and debate, and as such realise i the powerful tool that internet annonimity can be. there is no assumed heirachy, if you post an opinon or theory on a forum, it better stand up to scrutiny, it is like a social peer review.

 

there are many times i have felt like opening a second account, so that i can tell someone just how full of shit i think they are, fortunately someone else always seems to do it for me so i have yet to bother.

 

i share your belief manxman2 that there is alien life out there, i also believe that it is plausable that some alien life has made contact with life on planets other than their own, but i dont believe it has happened here yet and i dont find the evidence you have presented to be anything more than a drowning man clutching at straws.

[ans]

Damn, Ans wins!

 

I am Godzilla, he is Japan.

[manxman2]

i fail to see the relevence sock puppet accounts have to either of the ongoing discussions here, religion dogma or the possibility of alien life.

 

my account on manxforums is my only one and is also not annoymous. i have been honest about my identity here because i only joined to add news about my mixed martial arts team in the sports section, and to give advice on the threads that start "im thinking of joining a martial arts class, any suggestions...."

 

i have however stayed on the manxforums because i enjoy the chatter and debate, and as such realise i the powerful tool that internet annonimity can be. there is no assumed heirachy, if you post an opinon or theory on a forum, it better stand up to scrutiny, it is like a social peer review.

 

there are many times i have felt like opening a second account, so that i can tell someone just how full of shit i think they are, fortunately someone else always seems to do it for me so i have yet to bother.

 

i share your belief manxman2 that there is alien life out there, i also believe that it is plausable that some alien life has made contact with life on planets other than their own, but i dont believe it has happened here yet and i dont find the evidence you have presented to be anything more than a drowning man clutching at straws.

 

 

i am open minded lau on contact or live visitations .. however i have absolutely no qualms in believing just like humans other civilisations have been sending probes into space for centuaries if not millenia .. unlike human technology those probes are self sustained in powering themselves and will wander the galaxies for eternity just like ours will ..

 

and if you or anyone else thinks i have mentioned aliens/ little green men in this thread as a personal belief or i think we have been visited etc i think you should read what i have said and not just take the sneering bullshit talk of the strawmen that have only replied to take the piss .. especially the lycra clad wanker.

 

all i have done is quote people who do believe we have been visited .. and some of those individuals are beyond reproach in their personal achievements in life .

Edited June 24, 2009 by manxman2

[Lao]

thats fair enough, however, i dont agree with you that what you are seeing on these videos are probes or alien technology of some description.

[Slim]

i am open minded lau on contact or live visitations .. however i have absolutely no qualms in believing just like humans other civilisations have been sending probes into space for centuaries if not millenia .. unlike human technology those probes are self sustained in powering themselves and will wander the galaxies for eternity just like ours will ..

 

and if you or anyone else thinks i have mentioned aliens/ little green men in this thread as a personal belief or i think we have been visited etc i think you should read what i have said and not just take the sneering bullshit talk of the strawmen that have only replied to take the piss .. especially the lycra clad wanker.

 

 

I've no problem with you posting your beliefs, but why do you get so upset when they're challenged? Why do you maintain that these things you're challenged on aren't actually your opinions, you post them as backup but then dismiss them immediately afterwards. Then you accuse of googling and points scoring, when that's all you seem to be up to yourself, more obsessed with the posters than what they're actually posting. It's quite bizarre.

 

I believe there's life elsewhere in the universe, there almost has to be and there's absolutely no way anyone can prove their isn't. But like Lau I don't think we've seen any of it, there's certainly no evidence of it and there's a good chance given the size of the universe that we never will.

 

I think you're lacking some fundamentals, which is why picking you up on the grains of sand thing is important. Those basics are vital in this kind of discussion, the difference between the universe, a galaxy and the scale of things are central to the issue of extraterrestrial life in my opinion.

 

Of course, our understanding of physics could be way out, and our understanding of life could be too, but you've got to go with what you know rather than what you don't while remaining open minded to new ideas as they arise.

 

Lao: You shouldn't hide your identity, nobody will disagree with you in case you kick our arse

 

Who do you think my sockpuppet is manxman? I'm not really anonymous on here, plenty of people know who I am. Sometimes wish I was given how angry Floyd is with me, he's a big chap!

[manxman2]

I've no problem with you posting your beliefs, but why do you get so upset when they're challenged? Why do you maintain that these things you're challenged on aren't actually your opinions, you post them as backup but then dismiss them immediately afterwards. Then you accuse of googling and points scoring, when that's all you seem to be up to yourself, more obsessed with the posters than what they're actually posting. It's quite bizarre.

 

 

i dont get upset slim with anything anywhere on the net.

 

i treat as i am treated .. and love nothing more than for people both on the net and in life to under-estimate me .. infact i actively encourage it.

 

 

thats a weakness in other people that can be exploited especially on the net as you cannot see the body language and i never use emoticons to portray my intent.

 

you have been getting it large because you gave it large simple as .. you get pleasure out of belittling those you think you are more intelligent than .. however most of your arguements fall apart if kept to a narritive .. you dont like narritive .. slims worst nightmare is narrative.

 

mock rage / etc is just an angle against thoroughbred piss-takers. .. the proof of the pudding as they say of whether its effective is your thinly disguised !!why are you picking on me quote above!!. .. if you dont like it back then dont give it.

 

I believe there's life elsewhere in the universe, there almost has to be and there's absolutely no way anyone can prove their isn't. But like Lau I don't think we've seen any of it, there's certainly no evidence of it and there's a good chance given the size of the universe that we never will.

 

exactly its incalculable odds against there not being. .. am i still an asshole/retard etc for being open minded to alternate technologies being out there in space then..??

 

I think you're lacking some fundamentals, which is why picking you up on the grains of sand thing is important. Those basics are vital in this kind of discussion, the difference between the universe, a galaxy and the scale of things are central to the issue of extraterrestrial life in my opinion.

 

there you go again with the arrogance.

 

Of course, our understanding of physics could be way out, and our understanding of life could be too, but you've got to go with what you know rather than what you don't while remaining open minded to new ideas as they arise.

 

theres no ofcourse about it. we dont know what we dont know its that simple.

 

and as for all those documented foia documents which we ordinary joes were never ever supposed to see where highly trained pilots/astronauts and various other highly trained observers with the armed forces talk in detail about crafts a mile in diameter etc with strobing lights etc that they flew within meters of in broad daylight in earths atmosphere i find them intriguing and if that makes me an uneducated retard then so be it. .. its not paedophilia or something grubby .. its a subject that our and many other armed forces and governments took extremely serious hence the incredible amount of detail in the debriefing documents..

Edited June 24, 2009 by manxman2

[Chinahand]

MM2 - you do not help yourself - you say you haven't mentioned aliens in this thread, but you have posted up pages and pages and pages and pages of cut and paste links which do mention it.

 

You seem to be saying that someone has a technology which manefests itself as a blobby, unfocused image which you construe to be a mile wide object which alters its shape depending on its position in the field of view of the camera filming it.

 

You've got very angry with my scepticism towards that, but I really believe you are conflating things. Many many many people have seen things they don't understand, but to change that unidentified object into a technology whether alien or not is a leap of faith.

 

If you are saying Mr Corso is beyond reproach I beg to differ - plus the various astronauts etc - some of whom have become religious recluses as a result of their experiences (should I believe in Noah's Ark because an astronaut wrote a book about it and went searching for it?) - people believe wierd things - the pope is a pretty good example! Belief isn't the issue, evidence is, and the evidence presented simply doesn't justify the conclusions you or Mr Corso, or anyone else are making.

 

You have to compare Mr Corso's or whoever elses with the testemony of others - like the Nobel Prize winners who actually developed masers, lasers and integrated circuits; and the astronomers who work at SETI or on near earth objects.

 

I fully agree that there is a belief in all of this sort of thing at high levels of government etc. But the point is this is belief and many of them when challenged to back up that belief with evidence fall back on the facts being hidden by a conspiracy.

 

Conspiracies can only involve tiny numbers of people, and cannot hold over long periods - otherwise people talk.

 

I would dearly love their to be good unimpeachable evidence of alien life and intelligence - I fully hope one day such matters will be worthy of an article in Science or Nature or the Proceeding of the Royal Society or whatever. But at the moment the evidence is so embarrassing it cannot be presented on an internet forum.

 

That's my opinon on it. MM2 you can keep trying, but I really suspect you are fighting against occums razor - your explanations aren't parsimonious - Dr Dave's etc are.

[Slim]

i treat as i am treated .. and love nothing more than for people both on the net and in life to under-estimate me .. infact i actively encourage it.

 

Where have I treated you anything with the equivalence of 'lycra clad wanker'?

 

you have been getting it large because you gave it large simple as .. you get pleasure out of belittling those you think you are more intelligent than .. however most of your arguements fall apart if kept to a narritive .. you dont like narritive .. slims worst nightmare is narrative.

 

I'm not belittling, I'm disagreeing. I don't think I'm more intelligent than anyone, I do find it difficult to let posts slide that I disagree with. Ans, for example, thinks you're talking bollocks, but he won't compose a reply to say why he thinks you're talking bollocks, he'll just say that you are. I take the time to reply, to engage a discussion, and you see that as belittling because I've a tendency to disagree with you. But that's why I'm posting! If I agreed with you, I wouldn't bother posting at all.

 

I don't understand your point about narrative, and it seems odd coming from someone who quotes examples and then rejects them a few posts later, like the whole Roswell thing. Can you give me an example of where I've struggled with narrative?

 

exactly its incalculable odds against there not being. .. am i still an asshole/retard etc for being open minded to alternate technologies being out there in space then..??

 

Your not, I just disagreed with your conclusion that spots around a tether were evidence of extra terrestrial technology.

 

there you go again with the arrogance.

 

I'm just disagreeing with you! It's an important point of scale, it's vital to this discussion. You've demonstrated a misunderstanding of it, and that's important. It's not arrogance, I just disagree!

 

theres no ofcourse about it. we dont know what we dont know its that simple.

 

Right. So you can't make things up to fit the conclusion you're after, which is what, in my opinion, you have done with the tether video.

 

and as for all those documented foia documents which we ordinary joes were never ever supposed to see where highly trained pilots/astronauts and various other highly trained observers with the armed forces talk in detail about crafts a mile in diameter etc with strobing lights etc that they flew within meters of in broad daylight in earths atmosphere i find them intriguing and if that makes me an uneducated retard then so be it. .. its not paedophilia or something grubby .. its a subject that our and many other armed forces and governments took extremely serious hence the incredible amount of detail in the debriefing documents..

 

Yes, they took it seriously, lots of people did, and then it was discounted. There's no evidence, there's nothing to work with, move on and deal with the things you can actually do something about. Some things remain unexplained, if new evidence occurs they should be re-examined, until then, shelve it.