Israel vs. the rest of the world?

[P.K.]

1 hour ago, TheTeapot said:

While everyone is distracted Bibi has fired absolute cunt Yoav Gallant, apparently to (again) save his political skin. This one might backfire.

Apparently Gallant is viewed as a moderating influence and has been described by protesters at his removal as "the only normal person in the government"!

The issue that led to his going is all about "Draft dodging"...

"His dismissal was long expected. Over 13 months of war in Gaza, and one in Lebanon, disagreements over strategy and how best to bring Israeli hostages home frequently put the two men at loggerheads. The final straw appears to have been Gallant’s renewed efforts this week to enforce military conscription for the Ultra-Orthodox community. The two Ultra-Orthodox parties in the Knesset, Netanyahu’s longstanding allies, are obdurately opposed to the new policy.

"In a statement late on Tuesday, Gallant said his dismissal was triggered by disputes over Ultra-Orthodox conscription, Israel’s “moral obligation to return the hostages” and the need for a full inquiry to learn lessons of the 7 October terror attacks.

"Gallant had also publicly dismissed Netanyahu’s oft-repeated goal of “total victory” over Hamas, saying that Israel’s military success had created the conditions for a diplomatic deal. “The security of the state of Israel was and will always remain the mission of my life,” he wrote on X on Tuesday night, minutes after Netanyahu’s announcement."

Changing the man at the top of the military in the middle of a conflict - totally stupid!

[RecklessAbandon]

Well Gaza and Palestine are fucked (more so than they were before).

Expect Trump to up arms sales to Israel and support for the occupations.

My money is on a Trump tower on the ground that used to Gaza in the future.

[Redundant]

On 7/24/2014 at 10:41 AM, Celt said:

Or the UN could take back the land they gave the Jews, give it back to the Palastinians and ship all the Jews to the USA.

This is absurd, nothing personal.   The UN voted for the creation of the State of Israel, it has no power whatsoever to reverse that, Israel is now a sovereign state.  As for shipping anyone anywhere, that's about as racist as it gets.   In the UK should we ship all the Jocks back from England to Scotland?   The Welsh to perhaps, or even the Odd Manxie.   I know forums are not generally serious places, and are often toxic, but there are times when glib posts are at best unneeded or even unwanted, but that is just my opinion, which is of course subjective.

In relation to the struggles between Israel and its the Arabic countries that surround, those countries can afford to lose a short war, they already have several times.   Israel doesn't have that buffer, if they lose once, they are gone.   Israel has never threatened the  extinction of any Arabic people or country, several Arabic peoples/countries [including Hamas] have sworn to destroy the State of Israel completely.   All done, fill yer boots.

[HeliX]

Wonder if there's a phrase for this.

 

[RecklessAbandon]

What was that saying about "a lie will be half way around the world before the truth has finished tying its shoe laces"?

Ground News - Israeli Soccer Fans Face Violence in Amsterdam After Europa League Match

Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans ignored a moments silence for those who lost their lives in the recent Spanish floods.

Riots ensue (I know, totally unlike football fans to act out like that), with Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans being attacked in the street.

 

Right wing spin machine goes into over drive:

Muslim terror gangs are carrying out a pogrom on the streets hunting Israelis.

 

I would say you couldn't make this up, but there is an entire mechanism in place to do just that.

[hoopsaa]

2 hours ago, RecklessAbandon said:

What was that saying about "a lie will be half way around the world before the truth has finished tying its shoe laces"?

Ground News - Israeli Soccer Fans Face Violence in Amsterdam After Europa League Match

Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans ignored a moments silence for those who lost their lives in the recent Spanish floods.

Riots ensue (I know, totally unlike football fans to act out like that), with Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans being attacked in the street.

 

Right wing spin machine goes into over drive:

Muslim terror gangs are carrying out a pogrom on the streets hunting Israelis.

 

I would say you couldn't make this up, but there is an entire mechanism in place to do just that.

Hmmm. Your new read includes chapters on 'the motivation and justification' for Islamic terror.

Should we give Prevent a ring? 🤔😃

[RecklessAbandon]

Just now, hoopsaa said:

Hmmm. Your new read includes chapters on 'the motivation and justification' for Islamic terror.

Should we give Prevent a ring? 🤔😃

Look, we have already established that:

A) You have not read that document and do not understand what it is about.

B) You can't read anything more complex than the back of a fag packet, so sit down before you hurt yourself and let the adults talk.

[hoopsaa]

1 minute ago, RecklessAbandon said:

Look, we have already established that:

A) You have not read that document and do not understand what it is about.

B) You can't read anything more complex than the back of a fag packet, so sit down before you hurt yourself and let the adults talk.

Oh no, more hurty words!

[Chinahand]

2 hours ago, RecklessAbandon said:

What was that saying about "a lie will be half way around the world before the truth has finished tying its shoe laces"?

Ground News - Israeli Soccer Fans Face Violence in Amsterdam After Europa League Match

Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans ignored a moments silence for those who lost their lives in the recent Spanish floods.

[What all of them? Or a small proportion?]

Riots ensue (I know, totally unlike football fans to act out like that), with Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans being attacked in the street.

[Are you sure there weren't other things going on?]

Right wing spin machine goes into over drive:

Muslim terror gangs are carrying out a pogrom on the streets hunting Israelis.

[The first I read about it a quite different spin machine was going on about Maccabi Ultras attacking peaceful Palestinian protesters, shouting racist anti- Palestinian slogans, stealing flags and spraying hateful graffiti]

I would say you couldn't make this up, but there is an entire mechanism in place to do just that.

[There's what actually happened and what Pro-Palestinian and Pro-Israeli segments of X say happened. Is there any reason for the mayor of Amsterdam to emphasize that Israeli were being targeted in hit and run attacks?]

See comments embedded in quoted text. 

Edited November 8, 2024 by Chinahand

[RecklessAbandon]

19 minutes ago, Chinahand said:

See comments embedded in quoted text. 

From what I have read on the BBC Maccabi Tel Aviv have a history of racism and "disruptive" behaviour, being noted by internal Israeli football assessors as the second worst team in the nation for violence and racism - including death threats against an Arab-Israeli play - on the bloody team they support.

So it is no surprise that while overseas they were causing aggro and looking for a fight.

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[There's what actually happened and what Pro-Palestinian and Pro-Israeli segments of X say happened. Is there any reason for the mayor of Amsterdam to emphasize that Israeli were being targeted in hit and run attacks?]

What choice does the Mayor have?  If you publicly say anything critical, you're labelled as anti-semitic.

This is football hooligans on tour violence.  But because the Israeli fans have a "get out of jail free card" this has now turned into "muslim hate gangs on mopeds doing "hit and run" attacks (again the irony of that is delicious)".

Edited November 8, 2024 by RecklessAbandon

[HeliX]

 

 

[TheTeapot]

Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters have a terrible reputation. Trouble everywhere they go, caused by them. They attacks arabs.

I've not read up on this latest story yet, but I suspect that the truth will probably be somewhere along the lines of 'maccabi hooligans behave like dicks from the moment they arrive, vandalise some shit, beat up some arab guys just doing their jobs, and then as a result their mates hit back' because that's what normally happens.

[hoopsaa]

1 hour ago, TheTeapot said:

Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters have a terrible reputation. Trouble everywhere they go, caused by them. They attacks arabs.

I've not read up on this latest story yet, but I suspect that the truth will probably be somewhere along the lines of 'maccabi hooligans behave like dicks from the moment they arrive, vandalise some shit, beat up some arab guys just doing their jobs, and then as a result their mates hit back' because that's what normally happens.

There's footage of gangs stopping randm people to see if they are jewish. In one, a Ukrainian bloke has to show his passport to escape a beating.

Some of you are defending the indefensible. 

[HeliX]

13 minutes ago, hoopsaa said:

There's footage of gangs stopping randm people to see if they are jewish. In one, a Ukrainian bloke has to show his passport to escape a beating.

Some of you are defending the indefensible. 

 

 

[hoopsaa]

21 minutes ago, HeliX said:

 

 

Plenty of reports of tit for tat before the game, but what went on after.....