Israel vs. the rest of the world?

[Chinahand]

You think "a bunch of Europeans were given land that they had no right to" is a serious and useful way to look at the Arab-Israeli issue?

Kay. 

Which of this lot had a right to anything?

Which of them are you going to give it to?

It's the Arabs that have a right to the land is it? Are you sure they didn't take it from anyone?

Do you also think all non-native Americans should leave the US, all non-Aboriginal Australians should leave Australia, the Bantu should leave South Africa for the Koi-San, the Russians should return outer Manchuria to the Chinese?

People fighting over land is not a new phenomena. As the Celts. 

Do the Jews have no legitimate reasons for wanting to return to Jerusalem? You think they are just a group of Europeans? Really?

The movement of Jews within the Ottoman Empire was legal as was immigration into it, as were land purchases and founding of new districts. The earliest parts of Tel Aviv were laid out by Jews in the 1880s. 

Are you saying that was illegitimate?

I do find this level of input Student, it shows a profound lack of context and the bigger picture and takes us no where practical. 

What is the consequence of your branding Israel illegitimate?

Does it solve any issues?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HeliX]

12 hours ago, Chinahand said:

It's the Arabs that have a right to the land is it? Are you sure they didn't take it from anyone?

Evicting the people who's homes are there is clearly and objectively wrong.

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Do you also think all non-native Americans should leave the US, all non-Aboriginal Australians should leave Australia, the Bantu should leave South Africa for the Koi-San, the Russians should return outer Manchuria to the Chinese?

Not sure if this is directed at me, but I've also not said Israelis should leave. 

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I do find this level of input Student, it shows a profound lack of context and the bigger picture and takes us no where practical. 

Again unsure if this is for me but I have previously, and at length, described the path that I do think takes us somewhere practical. My comment simply said that evicting the people who lived in Palestine to create Israel was wrong, which it was.

Edited December 1, 2024 by HeliX

[HeliX]

18 hours ago, P.K. said:

Yes you have forgotten something.

This:

Well?

So it's the fault of the Palestinians that the Arab League failed to properly protect them is it?

[Chinahand]

22 hours ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

Religious affiliation aside, a bunch of Europeans were given land in a Middle Eastern country, that they had no right to be given. 

HeliX, all my responses are to Ham_N_Eggs. 

[P.K.]

5 hours ago, HeliX said:

So it's the fault of the Palestinians that the Arab League failed to properly protect them is it?

No it isn't.

However It's not the fault of Israel either...

So you can stop pretending that all the ills besetting the Palestinian arabs are down to the State of Israel because they are not.

The lack of a Palestinian State is entirely down to the Arab League and their "alternative" agenda and you know it...

[HeliX]

3 hours ago, P.K. said:

No it isn't.

However It's not the fault of Israel either...

So you can stop pretending that all the ills besetting the Palestinian arabs are down to the State of Israel because they are not.

The lack of a Palestinian State is entirely down to the Arab League and their "alternative" agenda and you know it...

I didn't blame Israel, I blamed the creation of Israel being done in an incredibly unjust way.

Unless you mean the current level of destruction in Gaza which is absolutely down to Israel.

[Chinahand]

7 hours ago, HeliX said:

Unless you mean the current level of destruction in Gaza which is absolutely down to Israel.

Yeah, nothing to do with Hamas whatsoever. 

You can be very blinded by your ideology, you know. 

[HeliX]

2 hours ago, Chinahand said:

Yeah, nothing to do with Hamas whatsoever. 

You can be very blinded by your ideology, you know. 

The level of destruction is entirely Israel's choice.

[P.K.]

6 hours ago, HeliX said:

The level of destruction is entirely Israel's choice.

BS.

Hamas could have surrendered at any time and you know it...

[RecklessAbandon]

5 minutes ago, P.K. said:

BS.

Hamas could have surrendered at any time and you know it...

BS.  Israel did not need to murder civilians in the tens of thousands and you know it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo

[P.K.]

On 12/2/2024 at 4:12 PM, RecklessAbandon said:

BS.  Israel did not need to murder civilians in the tens of thousands and you know it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo

It would appear you have learnt nothing:

[Chinahand]

Article on Israel's approach to tunnel warfare in Gaza:

https://mwi.westpoint.edu/israels-new-approach-to-tunnels-a-paradigm-shift-in-underground-warfare/

[Apple]

4 hours ago, Chinahand said:

Article on Israel's approach to tunnel warfare in Gaza:

https://mwi.westpoint.edu/israels-new-approach-to-tunnels-a-paradigm-shift-in-underground-warfare/

Fascinating article and insight into things we don't get to hear much if anything about. Thanks.

[buncha wankas]

On 11/29/2024 at 2:29 PM, Max Power said:

There's not much to rely on there, other than accusations? I don't agree with the breaking of international law, but make no mistake, Israel is fighting for its very existence, against an enemy who doesn't observe international law!

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Israel doesn’t not respect international law, Israeli are showing how rancid they are 

[buncha wankas]

On 12/2/2024 at 4:05 PM, P.K. said:

BS.

Hamas could have surrendered at any time and you know it...

You are ignoring the 100,000 Palestinians murdered by Israel 🇮🇱 pre oct 7th.  Why? 
you are ignoring the illegal occupation of Palestinians and Palestinians land and the military abduction of Palestinians and imprisoning of Palestinian without civil trials.  
why?  If you ignore real facts you are just being a Zionist puppet