Arsene Wenger

[winnie]

Why can't the top Prem teams develop there own youngsters from their own area's, instead of poaching players from lesser teams that have spent time and money developing them.

I'm not sure Southampton wanted to sell Van Dijk, Clyne, Lovren, Mane, Lallarna and Lambert to Liverpool, more like the players agents wanted them to move so they could get their 20% arrangement fee's. How many players have Liverpool bought through their academy recently?

[quilp]

[Declan]

Of the current first team squad  -

Trent-Alexander Arnold

Ben Woodburn

Plus five or six out on loan to lower league clubs. 

Of the players you mention - 

Clyne - began at Crystal Palace 

Van Dyke - played at Gronigan and Celtic before Southampton

Lovren - Dynamo Zagreb and Lyon

Mane - Metz and Schalke

Lambert - actually was a Liverpool youth player but played for 6 clubs before Southampton

Most played more games for other clubs or have at Liverpool than at Southampton, who've recieved about £125million in return for the time and money they've put into those players. In fact of the first team only Lallana and Oxlade-Chamberlain are products of Southampton youth team. 

 

 

[Declan]

1 hour ago, quilp said:

Plus of course the 1000 games Gerard and Caragher played between them during that time. 

I think we should probably have had more or better quality youngsters during the previous owners’ rule but Trent Alexander-Arnold and Ben Woodburn plus players like Rhian Brewster it’s looking  

 

 

 

[winnie]

I agree that Liverpool used to bring lots through. Gerard, Caragher, Fowler, McManaman spring to mind, but I wouldn't be proud of the list that's been put up, in fact I think it's a bit embarrassing that Liverpool have only bought through 5 players in nearly 20 years to play more than 10 games for the first team. I bet lot's of those games were league cup and fa cup games as well.

Think you'll find Lallana was in Bournmouth's academy, and Oxlade-Chamberlain was in the Portsmouth acadamy. In fact Oxlade-Chamberlin's younger brother is in the Portsmouth academy and on the verge of breaking into the first team, but has just broken his leg. 

Southampton are (were) masters of producing talent as they do pinch lots of academy kids from other teams due to having great facilities.

[the stinking enigma]

football won't return to the way you want it until it has first gone bust winnie. i'm not saying that's an entirely bad thing

[Declan]

54 minutes ago, winnie said:

I agree that Liverpool used to bring lots through. Gerard, Caragher, Fowler, McManaman spring to mind, but I wouldn't be proud of the list that's been put up, in fact I think it's a bit embarrassing that Liverpool have only bought through 5 players in nearly 20 years to play more than 10 games for the first team. I bet lot's of those games were league cup and fa cup games as well.

Think you'll find Lallana was in Bournmouth's academy, and Oxlade-Chamberlain was in the Portsmouth acadamy. In fact Oxlade-Chamberlin's younger brother is in the Portsmouth academy and on the verge of breaking into the first team, but has just broken his leg. 

Southampton are (were) masters of producing talent as they do pinch lots of academy kids from other teams due to having great facilities.

Strictly speaking Gerard, Caragher, Owen, Fowler and  MacManaman are Liverpool Academy players that have played more than 10 first team games since 2000. Additionally Trent-Arnold now has  more than 10. And Sterling signed at 15 so most have been in the academy. 

Liverpool are basically doing the same as Southampton  but at the next level. It’s about adding value. 

[winnie]

I still think Liverpool's academy have underachieved, but due to the disgusting amount of money swirling around for the top few teams, they have the ability to buy who they want when they want, so no need to invest in local kids and academy's.

Hopefully the pyramid will collapse and the teams can get more local identity - but I'm not holding out much hope!!

Anyway, good luck to Liverpool in the final. Shame it's in Russia though.

[the stinking enigma]

It's in kiev, ukraine. America owns that now. That's actually partly why it's there, to lend credence.

[Declan]

38 minutes ago, winnie said:

I still think Liverpool's academy have underachieved, but due to the disgusting amount of money swirling around for the top few teams, they have the ability to buy who they want when they want, so no need to invest in local kids and academy's.

Hopefully the pyramid will collapse and the teams can get more local identity - but I'm not holding out much hope!!

Anyway, good luck to Liverpool in the final. Shame it's in Russia though.

It’s in Ukraine. 

And I’ve already said that we should have had more academy players through. But this was allowed to stagnate under the previous owners and it takes time to catch up. It seems to be working.