The 'Trans' Issue.

[Declan]

 

10 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

So as long as the confused child is feeling safe he can be a she? Is that what you mean ?

I mean that the Brighton document that the Telegraph based its arguement on doesn’t say that if a parent refuses to allow a “son to wear a skirt” they’d be referred to Social Services. 

It says their actions need to cause significant concern about that child’s welfare. An example, I would suggest, is where a child is self-harming as a result of being transgender and the parents refuse to acknowledge the issue. 

[dilligaf]

2 minutes ago, Declan said:

 

I mean that the Brighton document that the Telegraph based its arguement on doesn’t say that if a parent refuses to allow a “son to wear a skirt” they’d be referred to Social Services. 

It says their actions need to cause significant concern about that child’s welfare. An example, I would suggest, is where a child is self-harming as a result of being transgender and the parents refuse to acknowledge the issue. 

Or just being a load of bullshit and the child is just jumping on the sick bandwagon thinking they are something different, because it seems topical and acceptable.

[Declan]

You do know we’re not talking about a real child?

[thesultanofsheight]

8 hours ago, Declan said:

You do know we’re not talking about a real child?

He’s just talking like a real child .. 

Edited December 23, 2018 by thesultanofsheight

[Mr. Sausages]

 

[quilp]

The customer is always right...

Whether or not the lady looks like she could do-lally you without adjusting her implants...

[Shake me up Judy]

That video says it all. So, in the name of trans-awareness are we supposed to take this customer's side against the trans-phobia of the shop assistant ? Would we boycott the business and form a flash-mob to stand outside with placards and banners warning the public ? Would we turn this 'woman' into a folk hero, paper the town with 'her' photograph and get the local press down to cover the story ? Is this the new religious mania ?  

[Declan]

I think public response to that video should depend on the reaction of the shop owners. If they apologise and commit to deal with the employees through internal processes then I think the mater should end there. 

If this is a pattern that’s happening regularly and not being addressed, I’d take my business elsewhere. 

[Shake me up Judy]

I'm amazed at your comments Declan. The shop assistant didn't know the guy/woman or his/her preferred title. The customer completely overreacted, was rude, loud, trashed his shop and threatened violence. You see nothing wrong with that ? I'd have called the police. Does the customer's gender identity outweigh all other considerations here ?

 

[Declan]

Well the reaction was over the top. If she were my friend I would tell her she should have handled it better. Losing your temper like that harms yourself more than anyone else. 

But I was replying to your question about whether the shop should be boycotted. From that perspective  the shop assistant, should have apologised when the error was pointed out, not repeat it continually. Nor should his colleague off camera join in. I expect a good boss could deal with that without too much fuss.

So there’s opportunities to learn for both parties, calling the police or posting it on the internet to shame the woman, won’t change that. 

Edited December 29, 2018 by Declan

[TheTeapot]

The person in that video is a bloke. Going mental. That's it.

[wrighty]

16 hours ago, Mr. Sausages said:

 

Whatever gender, the person in that video is neither beautiful nor gracious. 

I sometimes get told off for mislabelling. I’ll go in to see a patient and say “Mrs Smith? I’m Dr Wright” or something similar (I like to keep consultations formal - none of this first-name over familiar nonsense for me) and get a frowned “It’s MISS Smith actually”.  I just explain that I’m doing as the French do - if you’re over the age of about 25 you’re Mrs whether you’re married or not. 

[Declan]

19 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Whatever gender, the person in that video is neither beautiful nor gracious. 

I sometimes get told off for mislabelling. I’ll go in to see a patient and say “Mrs Smith? I’m Dr Wright” or something similar (I like to keep consultations formal - none of this first-name over familiar nonsense for me) and get a frowned “It’s MISS Smith actually”.  I just explain that I’m doing as the French do - if you’re over the age of about 25 you’re Mrs whether you’re married or not. 

Maybe insisting on Miss is a way of indicating their availability to the well paid consultant?

At least you’re using their name. Wouldn’t Ms serve your purpose without the need to estimate age or guess marital status. 

[wrighty]

3 minutes ago, Declan said:

Maybe insisting on Miss is a way of indicating their availability to the well paid consultant?

At least you’re using their name. Wouldn’t Ms serve your purpose without the need to estimate age or guess marital status. 

I don’t have to guess their age, nor their marital status if the records are up to date. I could use Ms, but there are those that would be offended by that too. Whatever you do won’t be right 100% of the time. 

As for your first point, I suppose that could be the case, and would be another example of one of my many laws of inverse proportionality. 

[Mr. Sausages]

54 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Whatever gender, the person in that video is neither beautiful nor gracious. 

 

The tweet was sarcastic.