The 'Trans' Issue.

[Mr. Sausages]

I’ve posted this before on here cos it’s useful info, and better coming from someone when it makes you think “I wonder if I’d shag her/him?”

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy1gfafSFWB/?igsh=MXFqbXFycTNtenEyMQ==
 

 

[Mr. Sausages]

4 hours ago, Chinahand said:

 

There is no natural way for humans to change pathways (unlike animals like clownfish). 

 

But we do have the same gene that triggers that physical change in other animals.

[La Colombe]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Sausages said:

I’ve posted this before on here cos it’s useful info, and better coming from someone when it makes you think “I wonder if I’d shag her/him?”

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy1gfafSFWB/?igsh=MXFqbXFycTNtenEyMQ==
 

 

I would. 

[Chinahand]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Sausages said:

I’ve posted this before on here cos it’s useful info, and better coming from someone when it makes you think “I wonder if I’d shag her/him?”

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy1gfafSFWB/?igsh=MXFqbXFycTNtenEyMQ==
 

 

The 1.7% figure is highly controversial 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

The true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%.

[Chinahand]

44 minutes ago, Mr. Sausages said:

5 hours ago, Chinahand said:

 

There is no natural way for humans to change pathways (unlike animals like clownfish). 

 

But we do have the same gene that triggers that physical change in other animals.

Sort of.

https://www.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/articles/2004/ask28/

We have many genes which make us Male - usually on the y chromosome. If you don't have these genes, or they are damaged, you will be female.

We don't have genes to trigger a physical change from Male to Female. There is also no way to switch the genes on or off. You either have them or you don't.

Also note this is complex and is really talking about sex only in the organs to produce sperm or eggs, it isn't talking about secondary sexual characteristics. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22246/

As this article says:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5066260/

Sequential hermaphroditism is a unique reproductive strategy among teleosts [bony fish].

 

[Mr. Sausages]

My limited knowledge comes solely from this radiolab podcast (which states it’s not just fish - go to 31 mins)

https://radiolab.org/podcast/gonads-xy
 

Edited August 3 by Mr. Sausages

[HeliX]

Edit: not her real account apparently, shame

Edited August 4 by HeliX

[Chinahand]

Not quite the right place but issues of identity do fit within the trans debate. 

I am struck by Amnesty's language: "identifying as a girl". 

No, how someone "identifies" is going to have no relevance to the Taliban. 

Sex is basically a binary and the likes of the Taliban are uninterested in the nuance between sex and gender. 

Biology does come first, it is messy and complex, but how someone identifies has basically nothing to do with it, people are either on a male or a female developmental pathway with only a tiny proportion intersex and even then in most cases the Taliban would have little problem assigning them.

An intersex boxer like Imane Khelif would be assigned female by the Taliban with external genitalia trumping developmental biochemistry. 

And that's an interesting exception that proves the law. Both identitarians and the likes of the Taliban would ignore the complexity of biochemistry in allowing her to compete in a women's boxing match.

I think both are wrong and that we should start with the complexity of biochemistry when discussing sex and acknowledge its importance when debating gender roles. 

 

 

[Shake me up Judy]

This puts the whole thing in perspective. The identity politics of the West versus the ancient fundamentalism of the Taliban. This is where the debate should be; because for most women in the world, the politics of the 'Trans' issue is irrelevant and the decadent West destroying itself with 'Am I a boy or a girl' navel-gazing and biological doubt.