Jarndyce Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Two-lane said: Your opportunity to complain to people who listen: https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/caa-consults-on-ground-handling-at-ronaldsway/ I wonder how many of the serial moaners on here will avail themselves of the opportunity? eta: someone will be along in a minute to say that, since CAA is a part of IOMG, engaging with them is pointless. Edited January 11 by Jarndyce eta Quote
piebaps Posted January 11 Posted January 11 CAA is part of IOMG. Engaging with them is pointless. 4 Quote
lfc84 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Jarndyce said: I wonder how many of the serial moaners on here will avail themselves of the opportunity? eta: someone will be along in a minute to say that, since CAA is a part of IOMG, engaging with them is pointless. If you start the survey you'll see it's not targeted at individual contributors. You'll see the target audience Quote
Nellie Posted January 11 Posted January 11 6 hours ago, IOM said: I totally agree with you Jersey has a bigger population circa 15,000 more and that’s one of the reasons more people fly to/ from there and they have more flight options . Not forgetting that sea travel in't a great option, as it involves much longer journeys and only takes you to Weymouth, which is far from where anyone might actually want to go! 1 Quote
Nellie Posted January 11 Posted January 11 7 hours ago, Two-lane said: Your opportunity to complain to people who listen: https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/caa-consults-on-ground-handling-at-ronaldsway/ This has all the hallmarks is a civil servant trying to look busy and important, rather than just adopting revised international standards. Quote
Numbnuts Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) Question , A guy who was on the Gatwick flight on Thursday that circled then went back to London, Pilot not happy as was told they could land then couldn’t. Who pays for the fuel , hotel and other sundries ? Easy jet put them all up but do they argue with airport and handling agents at a later date ? Or ??? He reckoned there was up to 200 to accommodate and they were put in the Hilton That should read who do Easyjet claim against or don’t they Edited January 11 by Numbnuts Quote
Banker Posted January 11 Posted January 11 37 minutes ago, Nellie said: Not forgetting that sea travel in't a great option, as it involves much longer journeys and only takes you to Weymouth, which is far from where anyone might actually want to go! They actually go to Poole, Portsmouth and st Malo, the Poole route is 4 hours so similar to ours, 2 Quote
Nellie Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Numbnuts said: Question , A guy who was on the Gatwick flight on Thursday that circled then went back to London, Pilot not happy as was told they could land then couldn’t. Who pays for the fuel , hotel and other sundries ? Easy jet put them all up but do they argue with airport and handling agents at a later date ? Or ??? He reckoned there was up to 200 to accommodate and they were put in the Hilton The airline pay. They don't pay much for the hotel as they have contracts to cover this situation and empty rooms are dead money for Hilton, or whoever. The plane holds no more than 186. It's just a business risk of running an airline. Presumably, over time, they evaluate if the frequency of such events make certain airports or routes unviable. Edited January 11 by Nellie 1 Quote
Albert Tatlock Posted January 11 Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Nellie said: The airline pay. They don't pay much for the hotel as they have contracts to cover this situation and empty rooms are dead money for Hilton, or whoever. The plane holds no more than 186. It's just a business risk of running an airline. Presumably, over time, they evaluate if the frequency of such events make certain airports or routes unviable. Well, ultimately of course, the passengers pay. It's all part of operational costs which airlines have to assess and budget in every year. 2 1 Quote
Mikimoto Posted January 11 Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Nellie said: Not forgetting that sea travel in't a great option, as it involves much longer journeys and only takes you to Weymouth, which is far from where anyone might actually want to go! Would rather go to Weymouth than Heysham!! 4 Quote
Non-Believer Posted January 11 Posted January 11 59 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: Well, ultimately of course, the passengers pay. It's all part of operational costs which airlines have to assess and budget in every year. One might wonder what the effect is on the operational costs incurred by operating out of/in to Ronaldsway in the near future? The ATC delays, returns to UK, etc etc must all be adding up. 1 1 Quote
cheesypeas Posted January 12 Posted January 12 10 hours ago, Mikimoto said: Would rather go to Weymouth than Heysham!! Was just looking at train prices from Weymouth to London tomorrow lunchtime. £19 !!! Cheapest Heysham to London tomorrow £84. Blimey. Quote
John Wright Posted Sunday at 01:22 PM Posted Sunday at 01:22 PM 19 hours ago, Nellie said: Not forgetting that sea travel in't a great option, as it involves much longer journeys and only takes you to Weymouth, which is far from where anyone might actually want to go! Channel Island services haven’t gone to Weymouth for more than a decade. There are no passenger facilities and no operational linkspan, anymore. Guernsey and Jersey put their service out to tender in early 2024. Supposed to be joint. It was a total disaster. They’ve ended up with DFDS doing Jersey and Brittany Ferries ( who now majority own Condor ) doing Guernsey. One of the senior civil servants in charge of the supposedly neutral process voted in a social media poll ( in favour of DFDS ) and had to be removed and they started again. 1 Quote
Banker Posted Sunday at 01:57 PM Posted Sunday at 01:57 PM (edited) 5 hours ago, cheesypeas said: Was just looking at train prices from Weymouth to London tomorrow lunchtime. £19 !!! Cheapest Heysham to London tomorrow £84. Blimey. Why would you look at trains from Weymouth when no one sails there? cheapest Poole to London £30 , heysham port to London is £54 at 13.21 so not sure where you’re looking! Edited Sunday at 02:01 PM by Banker Quote
Roger Mexico Posted Sunday at 02:56 PM Posted Sunday at 02:56 PM Channel Island ferries haven't gone to Weymouth since 2015, but Nellie's basic point about the different air/sea balance remains. According to the UK Dept of Transport tables (see table spas0201) The total pax sea journeys to/from the Channel Islands in 2023 was 268,846 The total pax sea journeys to/from the Isle of Man in 2023 was 597,880[1] According to the CAA, the airport figures for 2023 were: ALDERNEY 49,546 GUERNSEY 694,958 ISLE OF MAN 638,619 JERSEY 1,468,820 So sea travel makes up over 48% of travellers to/from the Isle of Man from the UK, but only 11% for the Channel Islands. [1] This doesn't match Harbours figures and seems to omit sailing to Belfast and Dublin. I'm ignoring non-UK sailings to the CIs. 1 Quote
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