Brexit Penny Dropping?

[manxman1980]

2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Why not?

I’d have those children up those chimney’s before you could say Jack Robinson.

ECHR or no ECHR !

Exactly... 

[P.K.]

@The Voice of Reason

Don't you mean:

On 10/12/2024 at 10:07 PM, The Voice of Reason said:

I’d have those children up those chimney’s before you could say Jack Robinson Stephen Yaxley Lennon.

ECHR or no ECHR !

 

[woolley]

On 10/13/2024 at 12:14 AM, manxman1980 said:

Exactly... 

I think he might have been joking.

[manxman1980]

26 minutes ago, woolley said:

I think he might have been joking.

No shit Sherlock...

[Freggyragh]

On 10/12/2024 at 2:41 PM, The Voice of Reason said:

The UK Government and the UK Government alone, should be implementing and enforcing all legislation that governs UK businesses and citizens . Without outside  bodies, like the ECHR and previously the EU, being able to override such legislation.

Yes by all means look at what other countries have done, and,  if and where appropriate pass similar legislation. And adopt practices that have been proven to be beneficial elsewhere and reject those that haven’t.

But the UK should not have other countries telling it what to do when it comes to enacting its own domestic legislation. (Imagine the UK being able to stymie the law makers in the USA!)

That surely is something that most people would agree with. 
 

Nope. I disagree. We live in a global world where our own goods & services have to compete with those of other countries. We shouldn't be buying phones from companies in China that pay workers £1.20 an hour if we are also telling our own companies that they must pay £12.00 an hour. Same goes for environmental standards and human rights. We could of course make exceptions for friendly countries with lower costs of living, but these decisions shouldn't be left to businesses chasing profits, but politicians chasing votes informed by civil servants who know how friendly such countries really are. What you are proposing is an outright race to the bottom dictated by the profit margins of the super-rich with no regard to quality of life anywhere.

[woolley]

18 hours ago, Freggyragh said:

Nope. I disagree. We live in a global world where our own goods & services have to compete with those of other countries. We shouldn't be buying phones from companies in China that pay workers £1.20 an hour if we are also telling our own companies that they must pay £12.00 an hour. Same goes for environmental standards and human rights. We could of course make exceptions for friendly countries with lower costs of living, but these decisions shouldn't be left to businesses chasing profits, but politicians chasing votes informed by civil servants who know how friendly such countries really are. What you are proposing is an outright race to the bottom dictated by the profit margins of the super-rich with no regard to quality of life anywhere.

You have described succinctly the scourge of globalisation. However, it is counterintuitive to cite this in advocacy for the ECHR or even the EU. I agree with you wholeheartedly about the race to the bottom, but that is precisely what we have now. Of course we should not support these practices, but the reality is we do so every day.

Not only has the process gathered pace in recent decades on the watch of these supranational organisations, but they have actively facilitated it. For example, the EU has granted millions of taxpayers' money in grants and supporting infrastructure for moving manufacturing from Western Europe so that businesses could take advantage of cheap labour in the East. https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v39/n08/james-meek/somerdale-to-skarbimierz

Domestic and international courts including the ECJ support global companies asserting their right to sell their cheaply made trademarked products for top dollar in territories under their jurisdiction, while denying others a right to challenge the profiteering by availing of supplies from those same cut-price sources. One high profile example was Levi Strauss v Tesco. There are many others. https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/tesco-loses-levi-jeans-trade-mark-battle

So far from being a bulwark against exploitation, these organisations have been cheering it on. While they talk a good game on leveling international playing fields, their actions speak to the contrary. They have been captured by raw, unregulated capitalism globally.

[RecklessAbandon]

Man stabbed asylum seeker in 'small boats protest' - BBC News

"The court heard that as police closed in, he tried to tweet the manifesto document, tagging in Tommy Robinson and prominent politicians including Sir Keir Starmer, Rishi Sunak, Nigel Farage and Suella Braverman.

But the message failed to send because he had copied in too many recipients.

In the document, the court heard, Parslow railed against what he termed the "evil enemies of nature and of England" who he identified as "the Jews, the Marxists and the Globalists" he said were responsible for demonising Christianity, white people and European culture."

 

[The Voice of Reason]

8 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said:

Man stabbed asylum seeker in 'small boats protest' - BBC News

"The court heard that as police closed in, he tried to tweet the manifesto document, tagging in Tommy Robinson and prominent politicians including Sir Keir Starmer, Rishi Sunak, Nigel Farage and Suella Braverman.

But the message failed to send because he had copied in too many recipients.

In the document, the court heard, Parslow railed against what he termed the "evil enemies of nature and of England" who he identified as "the Jews, the Marxists and the Globalists" he said were responsible for demonising Christianity, white people and European culture."

 

And this is in the Brexit thread, because……….?

[RecklessAbandon]

1 minute ago, The Voice of Reason said:

And this is in the Brexit thread, because……….?

Neo-nazi scum attacks asylum seeker, who is a fan of Tommy Ten-Names, Nigel "I spread misinformation on the internet but take no responsibility for it" Farage and Suella Braverman, who travelled 4 hours to attack someone - "doing his bit for England".

I wonder which event which cause a massive spike in anti-asylum seeker rhetoric and hatred this could be linked to?

Especially as during the Brexit campaign a certain misinformation spreader stood in front of a certain "Breaking Point" poster.

[The Voice of Reason]

4 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said:

Neo-nazi scum attacks asylum seeker, who is a fan of Tommy Ten-Names, Nigel "I spread misinformation on the internet but take no responsibility for it" Farage and Suella Braverman, who travelled 4 hours to attack someone - "doing his bit for England".
 

I see nothing in the article to suggest this Neo-Nazi scum ( as you correctly call him) is a “ fan” of Robinson and Farage.

By the same token he must then also be a “fan” of Starmer and Sunak and  other prominent politicians  to whom he also tried to tweet his manifesto.

Desperate stuff.
 

 

[RecklessAbandon]

2 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

I see nothing in the article to suggest this Neo-Nazi scum ( as you correctly call him) is a “ fan” of Robinson and Farage.

By the same token he must then also be a “fan” of Starmer and Sunak and  other prominent politicians  to whom he also tried to tweet his manifesto.

Desperate stuff.

So out of Sunak, Braverman, Farage, Starmer and Tommy Ten Names - which could you possibly draw a line to from the ravings of a Neo-Nazi scumbag?

Not all Brexit voters are Neo-Nazis, but I'm willing to bet a significant number of Neo-Nazis voted for Brexit.

[woolley]

3 hours ago, RecklessAbandon said:

I wonder which event which cause a massive spike in anti-asylum seeker rhetoric and hatred this could be linked to?

Seeing as the boats only started arriving in numbers and getting widespread publicity 18 months after the referendum, don't you think it's more likely to be related to developments on the beaches causing an upsurge in public disquiet? I'd stop digging if I were you.

[hoopsaa]

Presumably the illegal immigrant who killed the worker at the hotel he was staying in is a remainer, going by weckless's thinking.

Stupid game to be playing.

[manxman1980]

14 hours ago, woolley said:

Seeing as the boats only started arriving in numbers and getting widespread publicity 18 months after the referendum, don't you think it's more likely to be related to developments on the beaches causing an upsurge in public disquiet? I'd stop digging if I were you.

Or it could be that by leaving the EU the UK would find it much harder to send "illegal" immigrants back to France thus making the crossing to the UK more attractive? 

[woolley]

4 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

Or it could be that by leaving the EU the UK would find it much harder to send "illegal" immigrants back to France thus making the crossing to the UK more attractive? 

Can you imagine that ever happening? No. Me neither.