Brexit Penny Dropping?

[manxman1980]

2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

My point was that eight years on, the aforementioned EU flag wavers haven’t got over it.

If it bothers you that much just don't watch it.  It is only a flag.

[manxman1980]

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Edited November 5, 2024 by manxman1980

[manxman1980]

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Edited November 5, 2024 by manxman1980

[P.K.]

2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

My point was that eight years on, the aforementioned EU flag wavers haven’t got over it.

@The Voice of Reason

Remember the outpouring of hatred on the demise of the appalling Thatcher creature?

Well, I think brexit was even more polarising and divisive than her. And boy, is that saying something...!

[code99]

The British Empire ceased to exist nearly 100 years ago. Even the everlasting sorrow exemplified by the day like today emphasises the palpable sense that the UK is now a different country to what it once was, but it also emphasises the desideratum for people who share similar values and principles to unite in the face of adversity.

It is true that currently the EU’s future looks more perilous than it has for a very long time. This weakness is due to numerous internal and external nefarious forces which are seeking to undermine its stability. However, I think it is fair to say (based on various opinion surveys) that the majority of British people now believe that Brexit was a huge mistake and that we would be better of being part of the EU. Of course, nostalgia-harbouring (for a bygone era) Brexiteers don’t believe in any facts that don’t fit with their views. Part of this delirium can be directly attributed to Trump’s UK cheerleader and Putin’s Number One UK admirer, Nigel Farage, who keeps telling people that because the UK is now a ‘sovereign’ country all will be well, and Mediterranean cruises for wealthy UK pensioners will be 'business as usual'. LOL

E.g.:

1.  Andrew Rawnsley (The Guardian) :” It has never looked more lonely to be Brexit Britain paddling about in the mid-Atlantic as Typhoon Orange (Trump) masses on the horizon…”.

 2. Toby Helm (The Observer) : “The president-elect (Trump) has promised to impose substantial tariffs on all US imports in a move that could seriously damage a UK economy already suffering from having lost access to the EU’s single market as a consequence of Brexit. With Trump also talking of ending US funding for Ukraine in its war with Russia, the UK government finds itself in a position of potentially dangerous isolation from both the US and the EU on issues of economic and security importance. When the UK left the EU it didn’t just abandon the biggest trading bloc in the world. It also left the room where decisions are made affecting our mutual security, climate and equality. Whether protecting the future for Ukraine or Israel or Palestine, managing the need to transition our economies or the challenge of migration, both are now poorer for this break-up…”.

 3. Nick Paton Walsh (CNN): “ US President-elect Donald Trump’s second term will certainly be disruptive. He likes what he sees as good deals and destroys what he thinks of as bad ones. He seems fond of dictators, or at least strongmen. Trump’s grotesque and incomprehensible fondness for Putin makes the details of any deal highly dangerous for Europe and the NATO alliance, founded to confront Russia. He dislikes American allies that he thinks take advantage. He doesn’t believe in global warming….”.

Etc, etc.

[The Voice of Reason]

4 hours ago, code99 said:

The British Empire ceased to exist nearly 100 years ago. Even the everlasting sorrow exemplified by the day like today emphasises the palpable sense that the UK is now a different country to what it once was, but it also emphasises the desideratum for people who share similar values and principles to unite in the face of adversity.

It is true that currently the EU’s future looks more perilous than it has for a very long time. This weakness is due to numerous internal and external nefarious forces which are seeking to undermine its stability. However, I think it is fair to say (based on various opinion surveys) that the majority of British people now believe that Brexit was a huge mistake and that we would be better of being part of the EU. Of course, nostalgia-harbouring (for a bygone era) Brexiteers don’t believe in any facts that don’t fit with their views. Part of this delirium can be directly attributed to Trump’s UK cheerleader and Putin’s Number One UK admirer, Nigel Farage, who keeps telling people that because the UK is now a ‘sovereign’ country all will be well, and Mediterranean cruises for wealthy UK pensioners will be 'business as usual'. LOL

E.g.:

1.  Andrew Rawnsley (The Guardian) :” It has never looked more lonely to be Brexit Britain paddling about in the mid-Atlantic as Typhoon Orange (Trump) masses on the horizon…”.

 2. Toby Helm (The Observer) : “The president-elect (Trump) has promised to impose substantial tariffs on all US imports in a move that could seriously damage a UK economy already suffering from having lost access to the EU’s single market as a consequence of Brexit. With Trump also talking of ending US funding for Ukraine in its war with Russia, the UK government finds itself in a position of potentially dangerous isolation from both the US and the EU on issues of economic and security importance. When the UK left the EU it didn’t just abandon the biggest trading bloc in the world. It also left the room where decisions are made affecting our mutual security, climate and equality. Whether protecting the future for Ukraine or Israel or Palestine, managing the need to transition our economies or the challenge of migration, both are now poorer for this break-up…”.

 3. Nick Paton Walsh (CNN): “ US President-elect Donald Trump’s second term will certainly be disruptive. He likes what he sees as good deals and destroys what he thinks of as bad ones. He seems fond of dictators, or at least strongmen. Trump’s grotesque and incomprehensible fondness for Putin makes the details of any deal highly dangerous for Europe and the NATO alliance, founded to confront Russia. He dislikes American allies that he thinks take advantage. He doesn’t believe in global warming….”.

Etc, etc.

Etc, etc. indeed. 

You are offering quotes from opinion pieces in the Guardian/ Observer both of whom ( well it’s not really both,  they are one and the same) take an anti Brexit line which appeals to their readers.  
Not quite sure about your third quote and how that relates to Brexit.

Fair enough, they are like I say opinions, like Farage has his opinions. Farage is leader of a UK political party which has, what five MP’s ? , so I  wouldn’t get too exercised about him if I were you.

[code99]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Farage is leader of a UK political party which has, what five MP’s ? , so I  wouldn’t get too exercised about him if I were you.

Glad to hear. Hopefully, there will be none after the next GE.

[The Voice of Reason]

18 minutes ago, code99 said:

Glad to hear. Hopefully, there will be none after the next GE.

Well obviously that will depend upon the electorate. 

You know, people that vote in elections and referendums, that sort of thing.

Edited November 10, 2024 by The Voice of Reason

[manxman1980]

2 hours ago, code99 said:

Glad to hear. Hopefully, there will be none after the next GE.

 

2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Well obviously that will depend upon the electorate. 

You know, people that vote in elections and referendums, that sort of thing.

I expect that the virtual collapse of the Conservative Party will result in more rather than less Reform MP's.

I don't think that they will become the official opposition but may take a few seats from Labour and more from the Conservative Party in the short term.

Farage only becomes like Trump if he can find a way to lead the Conservative Party.  Until then Reform remain niche and Farage has to survive as an MP for Clacton.  Whilst he may have bought a house there it appears he is somewhat reluctant to be anything other than an unofficial ambassador to Trump.

[woolley]

9 hours ago, code99 said:

Etc, etc.

Get over it.

[code99]

8 hours ago, woolley said:

Get over it.

Last time I checked, this was still a free country. Just like you, I am entitled to express my political opinions. 

[P.K.]

12 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Etc, etc. indeed. 

You are offering quotes from opinion pieces in the Guardian/ Observer both of whom ( well it’s not really both,  they are one and the same) take an anti Brexit line which appeals to their readers.  
Not quite sure about your third quote and how that relates to Brexit.

What appeals to their readers is the way the Guardian and the Observer, unlike the rest of the press pack, have no owner interference in the content. Which means they can tell it exactly how it is and they always strive to do so.

So if they are negative about brexit, which they certainly are, it would only be because brexit was a bloody stupid idea pushed through for the personal advancement of Messrs Farage, Gove and Johnson rather than being something in the UK's best interests.

Which is why they are the UK's most trusted newspaper.

Simples...

[code99]

9 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

 

I expect that the virtual collapse of the Conservative Party will result in more rather than less Reform MP's.

I don't think that they will become the official opposition but may take a few seats from Labour and more from the Conservative Party in the short term.

Farage only becomes like Trump if he can find a way to lead the Conservative Party.  Until then Reform remain niche and Farage has to survive as an MP for Clacton.  Whilst he may have bought a house there it appears he is somewhat reluctant to be anything other than an unofficial ambassador to Trump.

You are probably correct, one should never underestimate duplicity and toxicity of the Tories. 

[P.K.]

8 hours ago, woolley said:

Get over it.

Ian Hislop sticks it to the Woolster:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19SajT5Sa5/

[The Voice of Reason]

3 hours ago, P.K. said:

Ian Hislop sticks it to the Woolster:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19SajT5Sa5/

 

Well he doesn’t. What he says it that Remainers have every right to moan on about the Brexit result, for years or decades even ( I guess)

He is of course right,in the same way that those supporting Brexit have an equal right to gloat for however long they choose.