Brexit Penny Dropping?

[RecklessAbandon]

13 hours ago, woolley said:

Of course we remember Project Fear. 

Oh we remember Project Fear alright.

[The Voice of Reason]

Watching the news last night I saw the Prime Minister of the UK and the President of France commemorating Remembrance Day together in Paris. It was quite an agreeable sight.

Why did such a thing never happen in all the years that the UK was a member of the EC, EEC or the EU?

It reinforced to me the notion that countries  do not need to be corralled into any manufactured, artificial grouping and that such relationships are best left to grow organically

[RecklessAbandon]

39 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Watching the news last night I saw the Prime Minister of the UK and the President of France commemorating Remembrance Day together in Paris. It was quite an agreeable sight.

Why did such a thing never happen in all the years that the UK was a member of the EC, EEC or the EU?

It reinforced to me the notion that countries  do not need to be corralled into any manufactured, artificial grouping and that such relationships are best left to grow organically

Maybe this is the first time that the French President wanted to be seen with a UK PM.

Considering the shower that came before would you blame him?

Also, can you imagine the flag shagger outcry if this happened while we were in the EU?

"Bloody traitor PM going to bend the knee to the EU overlords instead of honouring the real heroes!!!"

 

[code99]

33 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said:

"Bloody traitor PM going to bend the knee to the EU overlords instead of honouring the real heroes!!!"

“Second World War veterans have warned against the UK leaving the European Union, saying it would bring instability to the continent":  

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-second-world-war-veterans-come-out-against-brexit-a7019646.html

(but were dismissed by condescending patronising Vote Leave...Dominic Cummings ‘knows best’, naturally).

[manxman1980]

15 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Why did such a thing never happen in all the years that the UK was a member of the EC, EEC or the EU?

No idea but apparently the last PM to do so was Churchill. 

In more recent times I would suggest that it's a result of remembrance day becoming increasingly politicised.  What do I mean?  Well people get heavily criticised if they hold a public position and don't wear a poppy for at least a week around remembrance day.  Apparently even the contestants in Strictly Come Dancing were wearing a poppy during training.  It's getting out of hand and people should be given the freedom to choose whether they wear a poppy or not.

I am surprised that Starmer has not faced more criticism for going to France.  I do, however,  think it's a good thing that he did.  Many British and Commonwealth citizens lost their lives there during the two world wars and France is an important ally.

[P.K.]

17 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Watching the news last night I saw the Prime Minister of the UK and the President of France commemorating Remembrance Day together in Paris. It was quite an agreeable sight.

Why did such a thing never happen in all the years that the UK was a member of the EC, EEC or the EU?

It reinforced to me the notion that countries  do not need to be corralled into any manufactured, artificial grouping and that such relationships are best left to grow organically

@The Voice of Reason

Dear me but you do post some nonsense sometimes!

According to the gov website the invitation was issued by France because it was the 120th anniversary of the Entente Cordiale. I suppose it was thought to be unnecessary when both the countries were members of the biggest and best trading bloc on the planet.

Also countries are not "corralled" into the EU or any other nonsense you can dream up. Countries apply to join because they are well aware of the mutual benefits that accrue from membership. Simple as...

[The Voice of Reason]

10 hours ago, P.K. said:

@The Voice of Reason

Dear me but you do post some nonsense sometimes!

Also countries are not "corralled" into the EU or any other nonsense you can dream up. Countries apply to join because they are well aware of the mutual benefits that accrue from membership. Simple as...

Well it’s not nonsense really. There’s a lot of parallels, with say, the Tesco Clubcard member thing for example.

Edited November 13, 2024 by The Voice of Reason

[P.K.]

Andrew Bailey, Governor of the Bank Of England, states the bleeding obvious:

Bank of England governor says Brexit has undermined UK economy

Andrew Bailey calls for relations with EU to be rebuilt as Trump plans US tariffs

Speaking at the Mansion House dinner in the City of London on Thursday evening, Andrew Bailey said he took no position on Brexit “per se”, but added: “I do have to point out consequences.”

He said Brexit had “weighed” on the economy, pointing out in particular the impact of Brexit on the UK’s trade in goods. “It underlines why we must be alert to and welcome opportunities to rebuild relations while respecting the decision of the British people,” he added.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/14/bank-of-england-governor-urges-ministers-to-rebuild-relations-with-eu

[woolley]

@P.K. I thought of you and your frustration at being unable to post about this for a couple of days. Logging in every few minutes and trying again must have been a terrible ordeal for you. So the Bank of England mouths off about Brexit - again. Quelle surprise. Doesn't matter, of course. Bank of England can't rejoin the EU, so all is well.

Here's a flight of fancy from 2013 that you might enjoy. Parallel universe - if the UK had adopted the euro from your beloved Guardian. That'd have sorted out the Bank of England good and proper!!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2013/jun/02/britain-euro-what-if-joined

And an alternative view on Bailey's shenanigans.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/andrew-bailey-will-regret-reopening-the-brexit-debate/

 

[Non-Believer]

1 hour ago, woolley said:

@P.K. I thought of you and your frustration at being unable to post about this for a couple of days. Logging in every few minutes and trying again must have been a terrible ordeal for you. So the Bank of England mouths off about Brexit - again. Quelle surprise. Doesn't matter, of course. Bank of England can't rejoin the EU, so all is well.

Here's a flight of fancy from 2013 that you might enjoy. Parallel universe - if the UK had adopted the euro from your beloved Guardian. That'd have sorted out the Bank of England good and proper!!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2013/jun/02/britain-euro-what-if-joined

And an alternative view on Bailey's shenanigans.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/andrew-bailey-will-regret-reopening-the-brexit-debate/

 

The fact is that no less a person than the Governor of the Bank of England, a man (and his colleagues) invested with the upkeep and good governance of our economy (on the basis of his/their qualifications and experience) has quite clearly stated that in his opinion the good future of Britain's said economy lies in closer ties with the European Union, a position that we held before 2016 when we voted to sever links with our biggest trading bloc in favour of independence and multiple trade deals that were going to be a far more beneficial arrangement.

Apparently this was not the case then...

[woolley]

7 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

The fact is that no less a person than the Governor of the Bank of England, a man (and his colleagues) invested with the upkeep and good governance of our economy (on the basis of his/their qualifications and experience) has quite clearly stated that in his opinion the good future of Britain's said economy lies in closer ties with the European Union, a position that we held before 2016 when we voted to sever links with our biggest trading bloc in favour of independence and multiple trade deals that were going to be a far more beneficial arrangement.

Apparently this was not the case then...

OK. Take another look at what you wrote there, only this time with your eyes open. We should take no lessons from the Governor of the Bank of England, an institution which, through lax regulation and incoherent monetary policy in the first quarter of this century, has done more damage to the economy than Brexit is ever likely to. The UK didn't merely have 'closer ties' with the EU before 2016 by the way. It was a member, a completely different situation which had been rejected. Meanwhile, trade has and will continue to grow. Cooperation with neighbours is to be welcomed, diktat from Brussels is not.

[Non-Believer]

41 minutes ago, woolley said:

OK. Take another look at what you wrote there, only this time with your eyes open. We should take no lessons from the Governor of the Bank of England, an institution which, through lax regulation and incoherent monetary policy in the first quarter of this century, has done more damage to the economy than Brexit is ever likely to. The UK didn't merely have 'closer ties' with the EU before 2016 by the way. It was a member, a completely different situation which had been rejected. Meanwhile, trade has and will continue to grow. Cooperation with neighbours is to be welcomed, diktat from Brussels is not.

We'd better get rid of the Bank of England and its Governor then because they're clearly deluded, unqualified and have a record of utter incompetence.

Perhaps Jim Ratcliffe, James Dyson, Tice and Farage would be a better arrangement?

[P.K.]

11 hours ago, woolley said:

@P.K. I thought of you and your frustration at being unable to post about this for a couple of days. Logging in every few minutes and trying again must have been a terrible ordeal for you. So the Bank of England mouths off about Brexit - again. Quelle surprise. Doesn't matter, of course. Bank of England can't rejoin the EU, so all is well.

Here's a flight of fancy from 2013 that you might enjoy. Parallel universe - if the UK had adopted the euro from your beloved Guardian. That'd have sorted out the Bank of England good and proper!!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2013/jun/02/britain-euro-what-if-joined

And an alternative view on Bailey's shenanigans.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/andrew-bailey-will-regret-reopening-the-brexit-debate/

@woolley

Not exactly "news" though is it?

As I have always maintained right from the very beginning of this epic folly:

"To deliberately make it harder, more time consuming and therefore more expensive to trade with your biggest trading partner that sits right on your doorstep can only be a really bloody stupid thing to do"

and it's as true now as it was back then.

Irrefutably true...

[manxman1980]

1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

We'd better get rid of the Bank of England and its Governor then because they're clearly deluded, unqualified and have a record of utter incompetence.

Perhaps Jim Ratcliffe, James Dyson, Tice and Farage would be a better arrangement?

Don't forget that a certain set of politicians have encouraged the public to ignore "experts" plus the various think tanks on Tufton Street have far more influence than many would like to admit.

[The Voice of Reason]

30 minutes ago, P.K. said:

@woolley

Not exactly "news" though is it?

As I have always maintained right from the very beginning of this epic folly:

"To deliberately make it harder, more time consuming and therefore more expensive to trade with your biggest trading partner that sits right on your doorstep can only be a really bloody stupid thing to do"

and it's as true now as it was back then.

Irrefutably true...

As in life sometimes the easiest and cheapest options ( as you claim) are not always the right options. There are many more factors to consider.

I am afraid your view is somewhat simplistic.

Edited November 17, 2024 by The Voice of Reason
Addition of first three words