Beginning of the end for Boris Johnson

[Passing Time]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

We’re talking about a book for Gods sake.

What do you want? A public book burning session? A fatwa issued?

Let those who want to buy or read it do so. And those who don’t not.

Crack on son if you want to give a reprehensible waste of flesh some money. After reading it you will possible become an accomplished liar...

[The Voice of Reason]

1 hour ago, manxman1980 said:

@The Voice of Reason it's not about stopping you reading that book.  It's about your belief that you will somehow learn something from it.

 

It’s difficult to imagine that you can’t learn something about somebody from reading their autobiography, Or in  this case, more their memoirs. Be that favourable or not.

As I alluded to in an earlier posting re Alex Ferguson and his book. I had no real feelings about him, not being a Manchester United fan. But reading his book I had a better insight into what made him tick.

In this instance reading his book did make me appreciate of how he made use of psychology and relations both internal and external to make Man United  ( much to my chagrin) the force they were under his team management 

I am not saying I anticipate  that reading Boris Johnson’s memoirs will turn me into a fan of his but I am interested in what he has to say given the position (s) he has held and the interactions he has had with other notable figures both domestically and internationally.

And what on earth is wrong with that?
 

 

[manxman1980]

24 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

It’s difficult to imagine that you can’t learn something about somebody from reading their autobiography, Or in  this case, more their memoirs. Be that favourable or not.

As I alluded to in an earlier posting re Alex Ferguson and his book. I had no real feelings about him, not being a Manchester United fan. But reading his book I had a better insight into what made him tick.

In this instance reading his book did make me appreciate of how he made use of psychology and relations both internal and external to make Man United  ( much to my chagrin) the force they were under his team management 

I am not saying I anticipate  that reading Boris Johnson’s memoirs will turn me into a fan of his but I am interested in what he has to say given the position (s) he has held and the interactions he has had with other notable figures both domestically and internationally.

And what on earth is wrong with that?
 

 

Because it will be rammed full of lies and mistruths meaning the only thing you will learn is what he wants you to. 

[P.K.]

13 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

Because it will be rammed full of lies and mistruths meaning the only thing you will learn is what he wants you to. 

Look @The Voice of Reason is a brexiteer which immediately labels him as gullible. Reinforced by him being a  Telegraph reader. Now Bozo Johnson ia a totally amoral narcissistic serial philanderer and inveterate liar. Leading the worst government in living memory and hopefully forever nobody has done more than him to debase the Office of Prime Minister of the UK.

Now if TVOR wants to fill his little head with utter claptrap by Bozo then I'm fine with it. After all, it might keep him off here...

Tip: if anyone else is thinking about buying the nonsense by Bozo you'll find it under "Fiction"...

Edited September 30, 2024 by P.K.

[The Voice of Reason]

1 hour ago, P.K. said:

Look @The Voice of Reason is a brexiteer which immediately labels him as gullible. Reinforced by him being a  Telegraph reader. Now Bozo Johnson ia a totally amoral narcissistic serial philanderer and inveterate liar. Leading the worst government in living memory and hopefully forever nobody has done more than him to debase the Office of Prime Minister of the UK.

Now if TVOR wants to fill his little head with utter claptrap by Bozo then I'm fine with it. After all, it might keep him off here...

And what does also being a Guardian reader make me?  

I think it makes me someone who examines all views and opinions and comes to their own conclusion. A freethinker if you will.

Not someone who hides behind their prejudices and dogma, refusing to believe that there may just be another perspective to consider.

I may reach the conclusion that Johnson’s book is indeed full of “ claptrap” ( or I may not), but at least I will be able to justify my conclusion as a result of having read the thing, rather than prejudging it without having read a single word.

[woolley]

2 hours ago, P.K. said:

Look @The Voice of Reason is a brexiteer which immediately labels him as gullible.

As arbitrated by the intellectual colossus that is @P.K.  Stop banging this worn out drum for a while and examine the reality of the EU in 2024.

[P.K.]

5 hours ago, woolley said:

As arbitrated by the intellectual colossus that is @P.K.  Stop banging this worn out drum for a while and examine the reality of the EU in 2024.

We all know the much hackneyed "sovereignty" that TVOR keeps banging on about was way down the list for brexit causes with "immigration" being the top reason.

Ah yes, the EU in 2024. There are currently nine states recognized as candidates for membership of the European Union: Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Georgia, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Serbia, Turkey, and Ukraine.

Seems folks still want to join...

[P.K.]

5 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

And what does also being a Guardian reader make me?  

I think it makes me someone who examines all views and opinions and comes to their own conclusion. A freethinker if you will.

Not someone who hides behind their prejudices and dogma, refusing to believe that there may just be another perspective to consider.

I may reach the conclusion that Johnson’s book is indeed full of “ claptrap” ( or I may not), but at least I will be able to justify my conclusion as a result of having read the thing, rather than prejudging it without having read a single word.

What "prejudices and dogma" would those be that I'm "hiding" behind...? Should be good.

Incidentally someone misguided gave me Dorries' book for xmas. It's unopened and will remain so. Sounds right up your street. You can have it if you like...

[The Voice of Reason]

32 minutes ago, P.K. said:

What "prejudices and dogma" would those be that I'm "hiding" behind...? Should be good.

Incidentally someone misguided gave me Dorries' book for xmas. It's unopened and will remain so. Sounds right up your street. You can have it if you like...

Well you’ve just provided a good example yourself of your “prejudices and dogma” in that you’ve been given a book relating to the UK political  scene (of which you seem to profess an interest in) but won’t read. Why not? Because you don’t like the author? Because you don’t like the subject?

It wouldn’t hurt you to open it and at least read the first few pages at least. Are  you someone who are scared their views will be compromised or contaminated by other’s opinions?

Anyway thanks for the offer but I’ve already read said book. To be honest it is a bit rubbish, but entertaining in places. Just give it a go, it won’t kill you.
 

[P.K.]

58 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Well you’ve just provided a good example yourself of your “prejudices and dogma” in that you’ve been given a book relating to the UK political  scene (of which you seem to profess an interest in) but won’t read. Why not? Because you don’t like the author? Because you don’t like the subject?

It wouldn’t hurt you to open it and at least read the first few pages at least. Are  you someone who are scared their views will be compromised or contaminated by other’s opinions?

Anyway thanks for the offer but I’ve already read said book. To be honest it is a bit rubbish, but entertaining in places. Just give it a go, it won’t kill you.

As someone said:

"Nadine's book is based on thousands of interviews that all took place in Nadine's head". Frankly I've better books to read than Nadine's fantasies...

Your example is hardly me "hiding behind prejudice and dogma" though which is quite an accusation.

Still waiting for your examples...

[The Voice of Reason]

2 minutes ago, P.K. said:As someone said:

"Nadine's book is based on thousands of interviews that all took place in Nadine's head". Frankly I've better books to read than Nadine's fantasies...

Your example is hardly me "hiding behind prejudice and dogma" though which is quite an accusation.

Still waiting for your examples...

Well I think  it’s a good example. 

You’ve made your mind up on coming to positions . You’re not going to even consider any other conversation re Johnson being “ a totally amoral narcissistic serial philanderer and inveterate liar. “ A phrase you have used over and over again over the years.Its tiresome.

We can’t even have a proper discussion re Brexit without you trotting out the same old tired lines. People being gullible, racists again and again. Myself and others have asked you at least to explore  an alternative view without success.

It’s a waste of time engaging with you and I keep telling myself I shouldn’t do it. But this being a forum I let myself get dragged in time on time. It’s my fault that I keep doing so 🙂. 

[woolley]

37 minutes ago, P.K. said:

Frankly I've better books to read than Nadine's fantasies...

 

You should write one. No repetition though.

[The Voice of Reason]

1 hour ago, P.K. said:

As someone said:

"Nadine's book is based on thousands of interviews that all took place in Nadine's head". Frankly I've better books to read than Nadine's fantasies...

 

“As someone said”

Why not read it for yourself and make your own mind up rather than rely on second hand reviews from “ someone” ?.

You need to man up and stop basing your opinions on what you are fed from the sources you choose to inform you ( Guardian etc) and make your own decisions.

 

[manxman1980]

7 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

“As someone said”

Why not read it for yourself and make your own mind up rather than rely on second hand reviews from “ someone” ?.

You need to man up and stop basing your opinions on what you are fed from the sources you choose to inform you ( Guardian etc) and make your own decisions.

 

You even said yourself that her book is "a bit rubbish, but entertaining in places."  That is hardly a ringing endorsement of a book.

What did you learn from that book?  Probably not much because she is another one who is barely in touch with reality.  I am sure you will be looking forward to the Jacob Rees-Mogg documentary about his home life as well.

You have referenced reading Sir Alex Ferguson's book several times.  Which one did you read?  Just curious about that.  

 

[The Voice of Reason]

4 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

You even said yourself that her book is "a bit rubbish, but entertaining in places."  That is hardly a ringing endorsement of a book.

What did you learn from that book?  Probably not much because she is another one who is barely in touch with reality.  I am sure you will be looking forward to the Jacob Rees-Mogg documentary about his home life as well.

You have referenced reading Sir Alex Ferguson's book several times.  Which one did you read?  Just curious about that.  

 

I wasn’t intending my critique of the Dorris book to be a “ ringing endorsement”. Why on earth would you think I meant it to be? It was just my thoughts on it.

The JRM documentary might be entertaining. People seem to like programmes on how toffs live. It could possibly be rubbish though.

I am a bit puzzled though. You seem to phrase your questions as if I am a Conservative supporter.

I'm not. My politics lean towards the left but I do have an interest in politics as a whole.

It maybe not the greatest analogy but I do support a particular football team ( not Man United)

But  I am interested in how the football industry as a whole works. And so I will read autobiographies or biographies from individuals be they owners, managers or players from other teams

Re your question about Alex Fergusons books “ My autobiography” and Leading” are the ones I have read if you’re that interested. He’s an interesting character  ( and a fellow socialist) who undoubtedly has achieved a large measure of success