Beginning of the end for Boris Johnson

[Declan]

1 minute ago, John Wright said:

And Chamberlain was only plagiarising Cromwell, nothing original.

“You have been sat to long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!.”

Amery was quoting Cromwell. Wanker. 

Edited January 19, 2022 by Declan

[the stinking enigma]

I'm sure the sun said this about graham taylor.

Edited January 19, 2022 by the stinking enigma

[Shake me up Judy]

 

 

[opusManx]

In response to Tory MP Christian Wakeford crossing the floor to Labour today:

Johnson attempted to appear bullish in front of his own MPs, telling them: “The Conservative party won Bury South for the first time in generations under this prime minister, with an agenda of uniting and levelling up and delivering for the people of BS, and we will win again in BS at the next election under this prime minister.”

 

Well, at least his strategy is out in the open.

Edited January 19, 2022 by opusManx

[opusManx]

8 hours ago, John Wright said:

And Chamberlain was only plagiarising Cromwell, nothing original.

“You have been sat to long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!.”

And here I thought he was channeling Dr. Seuss...

 

 

Edited January 19, 2022 by opusManx

[opusManx]

5 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

Imagine having written a history book on Churchill and your response to that quotation is:

"I don't know what quotation he is alluding too"

Given that the quote opened the door for Churchill to become PM you would think that the author of "The Churchill Factor - How One Man Made History" might have recognised it.

So we have had Davis attack the PM from the backbenchs and one MP cross the floor to join the Labour party and still this buffoon thinks he is the right man for the job...

He knows he's not the right man. He gets off on transgression...against whatever...reason, expectations, merit...  Probably why he broke the rules in the first place. Smh...what a __________ (insert your expletive of choice).

[The Voice of Reason]

3 hours ago, opusManx said:

In response to Tory MP Christian Wakeford crossing the floor to Labour today:

Johnson attempted to appear bullish in front of his own MPs, telling them: “The Conservative party won Bury South for the first time in generations under this prime minister, with an agenda of uniting and levelling up and delivering for the people of BS, and we will win again in BS at the next election under this prime minister.”

 

Well, at least his strategy is out in the open.

Wakeford is a cowardly disgrace. I have no love for the Tories but he was elected as one, which gave him employ.

With the Tories in South Bury having such a slender majority and the swings against incumbent parties in General Elections it’s pretty much odds on South Bury returning a Labour candidate next time.

To cross the floor like he did just reeks of opportunism, not principle.

Why did he not just resign as he is calling for Johnson to do?

Thought long and hard about partygate my arse. Thought long and hard about his own prospects though.

Horrible, horrible unprincipled man

[manxman1980]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

 I have no love for the Tories

Could have fooled me by the tone of many of your posts.

Regarding MPs crossing the floor, I would remind you that a certain Winston Churchill did just that. 

Funny how he never gets called a cowardly disgrace for doing it.

[Declan]

It is a bit cowardly. He could have stood up to the whips and put in a letter asking for a leadership contest. He could have voted against Boris in that contest. And it doesn’t look like he’s had a long period wrestling with his conscience whilst the party gradually drifts away from his principles and his constituents wishes. 
 

I suppose his majority was only 405 so  if the polls are right and replicated there 405 Bury South residents will have switched back to Labour. But does he keep doing the hokey-cokey across the floor with every poll change. 

[The Voice of Reason]

9 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

Could have fooled me by the tone of many of your posts.

Then my friend you are easily fooled.

Being of a certain age and coming from a mining community I could never hold any love for the Tories.

That said, I and many others  have to recognise that the Tory Party is a different (dare I say better?) beast than that of 40 years ago

[manxman1980]

5 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Then my friend you are easily fooled.

Just a Johnson fan boy then?  You watched him on "Have I got News for You" and thought he was a good chap?  

5 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Being of a certain age and coming from a mining community I could never hold any love for the Tories.

That said, I and many others  have to recognise that the Tory Party is a different (dare I say better?) beast than that of 40 years ago

I fail to see how the Tory Party today is any better than the Tory Party 40 years ago.  They want to strip away workers rights, reduce Health & Safety Legislation, and had it not been for the pandemic would probably be well on the way to Privatising the NHS.  

At least the Tory Party 40 years ago had some competent MP's.  Would Chris Grayling have ever held a ministerial position back then?  There are plenty more who are incompetent today as well.

[The Voice of Reason]

2 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

Just a Johnson fan boy then?  You watched him on "Have I got News for You" and thought he was a good chap?  

No

[code99]

The Tories have always been ‘the nasty party’; a party of and for the rich. What is new is that BoJo, unlike his predecessors, has openly and shamelessly cultivated his (rather vulgar) image as someone who proudly likes to bend the rules and gets away with it. Unsurprisingly, his character resonated well with those voters who like to stick two fingers up to the ‘establishment’ by bending the rules themselves. As far as the general public is concerned, for a very long time, they chose to believe in the myth that under BoJo’s leadership the Tories would be ‘competent’ in managing public finances and the economy. The fallacy of this argument was exposed again when Treasury had to embarrassingly admit that they would probably be writing off circa £5b taxpayers’ money pertaining to fraudulent loans that were created under the Tory Covid support programme. How come Tory ‘geniuses’ with their fabled financial and economic skills and experiences gained from working in the City have failed to install proper controls and oversight for such a strategically important programme?

My view is that current Labour leadership are competent and decent people and that they will win the next UK GE. After that, I expect that there will be some big changes in the relationship between London and Crown Dependencies.

[manxman1980]

17 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

No

Very detailed answer...

If your issue with the Tories was Thatcher and the closing of heavy industry and reducing the power/influence of the Trade Unions I really fail to see how you can look at the current Tory Party and think it is any better.

47 minutes ago, code99 said:

The Tories have always been ‘the nasty party’; a party of and for the rich.

Don't forget those who want to be wealthy.  This is one of the great lies that the Tory Party continue to pitch to those who are not in the upper echelons.  They like to push the idea that with them in power then everyone has the chance to develop their own wealth through low taxation, less "red tape" and a Government that does not interfere.  In reality they are only interested in looking after their own and those who are poor have no chance under a Tory Government as they slash taxes for the wealthy and fund that by cutting benefits for the poor.

Even today they are ignoring rising inflation which has a disproportionate impact on the "lower classes" who have less disposable income. 

53 minutes ago, code99 said:

The fallacy of this argument was exposed again when Treasury had to embarrassingly admit that they would probably be writing off circa £5b taxpayers’ money pertaining to fraudulent loans that were created under the Tory Covid support programme. How come Tory ‘geniuses’ with their fabled financial and economic skills and experiences gained from working in the City have failed to install proper controls and oversight for such a strategically important programme?

The decision to write off that amount due to fraud is unbelievable!  How come they can just chuck that money away but cannot fund free school meals for children from poor homes?

I would hazard a guess that the fraud has been conducted by Tory Party donors. 

53 minutes ago, code99 said:

My view is that current Labour leadership are competent and decent people and that they will win the next UK GE. After that, I expect that there will be some big changes in the relationship between London and Crown Dependencies.

They have certainly improved from the days of Corbyn & Abbott!  I notice that the Tory supporting media are still trying to drive a wedge between Starmer and Rayner which does suggest that they are getting worried about a more unified Labour party under competent leadership.

[Declan]

1 hour ago, code99 said:

My view is that current Labour leadership are competent and decent people and that they will win the next UK GE.

I expect there'll be a new Tory Leader, promising to be a new broom and asking the electorate to give them a chance, and like 1955, 1959, 1992, 2017, and 2019 the electorate will probably give it. Then find the new broom, is Trigger's.