Chinahand Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Yes, Freggy, I agree. IE effective deterrence. Quote
The Phantom Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chinahand said: The loop hole put in the US sanctions regime is pretty incredible. Can't wait to hear Biden trying to explain it. 2 hours ago, opusManx said: Zelensky is realizing too late that Ukraine is not the hill Nato wants to die on. Even yesterday, he was asking for a no-fly zone pitting Nato and Russian jets against each other (unrealistic, irresponsible, but I sympathize w his desperation). Biden is already going to pay a steep price for prices at the pump, which I just heard topped $6/gallon in the U.S. (which is very high by American standards). Political longevity and money will trump all moral considerations. Thats why we are here in the first place. It's genuinely disgusting that the West is still pandering to Putin in this way. Effectively telling him that he's a very naughty boy, but we'd still like to buy your gas and wood please. I've just seen also that the Italian PM has tried to exclude luxury goods from the sanctions. It seems selling some Gucci loafers to an oligarch is more important than what is happening in Ukraine. This is a very sorry state of affairs for our so called enlightened democracies. At least Boris has been trying to push the SWIFT ban. On the flip side, I have seen grannies squaring up Russian troops, mums buying sniper rifles, Klitscho is on the front line, toddlers with teddies in bomb shelters, Dads saying goodbye to their children. Right now I have more respect for the Ukrainians than any of our so called leaders. I'm not religious, but I'm praying for them. Edited February 25, 2022 by The Phantom 2 Quote
Chinahand Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Chinahand said: 3 hours ago, The Phantom said: I think the Ukrainians will however punch way above their weight - "GIVE EM HELL" I'm so conflicted by this. A huge part of me wants them to blast them to hell, but another part knows they don't have a chance and all that will result is mass destruction and loss of life in a futile gesture. The idea that, in a new cold war, we could fund such a war for years, genuinely disturbs me, because it could happen with huge suffering for Ukraine's people. I like the honesty of this twitter thread, and it concerns one of things I am most disturbed about happening over the next months. 1 Quote
The Phantom Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chinahand said: I like the honesty of this twitter thread, and it concerns one of things I am most disturbed about happening over the next months. I was in Bosnia in late 90s I've seen moreso than most what will happen. 1 Quote
Chinahand Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 I'm saying this to my teenage boys tonight - every video they see where they think you know who the "goodies" are and who are the "baddies" - just think for a minute that you are wrong. To be frank both sides are basically identically armed and dressed. Who knows if you are watching Ukrainians firing on Russians or the other way round. War is inhumanity writ large. Pity them all. Quote
quilp Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Putin's a very religious man, apparently... https://unherd.com/2022/02/putins-spiritual-destiny/ Quote
opusManx Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chinahand said: I like the honesty of this twitter thread, and it concerns one of things I am most disturbed about happening over the next months. We just need to remember how ruthless Russian forces were in Syria. Bombing hospitals, barrel bombs...no concerns about Geneva conventions. Regretfully, I hope the Ukrainians stand down and allow a less bloody, unpalatable change in leadership. An evil but lesser of two evils. But by all means, once most Russian forces stand down, carry out whatever resistance measures possible. Edited February 25, 2022 by opusManx Quote
opusManx Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Freggyragh said: You can only achieve that by giving three of your best natural harbours to the US Navy, and having multiple large-scale US airbases. And paying a couple of USD billion towards it. And having your own (albeit comparatively small) well equipped defense forces. Agree...I always remind the pacifist in me of Tibet. Quote
Chinahand Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 I quite like the Irish. https://twitter.com/malonebarry/status/1497266173141995527?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1497266173141995527|twgr^|twcon^s1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fprotesters-converge-on-russian-embassy-in-dublin-1.4812267 Quote
opusManx Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. Sausages said: Thx. For some reason in an act of extreme political nerdism, I watched that entire session as everyone grilled him. That was definitely one of the most contentious exchanges. Overall, an excellent, principled meeting with really good rigourous lines of enquiry from all departments. Edited February 25, 2022 by opusManx Quote
2bees Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Putin is well regretting his invasion now, not only has he had all manner of sanctions put on Russia but now they’re out of Eurovision Song Contest, the football AND the car racing - rue the day! Quote
Chinahand Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 The really sad thing is that if NATO hadn't expanded Eastward, Putin would have devoted his life to reforming democracy and human rights in Russia. 1 1 Quote
Chinahand Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Live NOW. UN security Council meeting on Russia-Ukraine: Quote
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