Just Stop Oil

[Chinahand]

In the long run we will all be dead. Let's concentrate on timeframes where are actions have relevance, hey.

[HiVibes]

1 hour ago, Chinahand said:

Exaggerations on both sides.

There is an awful lot humans can do to ensure the earth isn't at risk of becoming unsustainable.

Well duh, like just stopping oil, yer daft old coot.

[The Voice of Reason]

1 hour ago, Chinahand said:

In the long run we will all be dead. Let's concentrate on timeframes where are actions have relevance, hey.

Yes let’s use oil until it is no longer available

[Chinahand]

Burning the lot would be terribly self destructive. Stopping subsidising it and have a tax to recoup the environment damage it does (polluter pays) will quickly allow sustainable alternatives compete it out of existence. 

Why pay say £10 per MWatt.hour or whatever from a hydrocarbon when you can get it for £8 from a renewable/sustainable source. 

[Passing Time]

2 hours ago, Chinahand said:

In the long run we will all be dead. Let's concentrate on timeframes where are actions have relevance, hey.

Would there be any point? China has the greatest number of coal-fired power stations of any country or territory in the world. As of July 2024, there were 1,161 operational coal power plants on the Chinese Mainland. This was more than four times the number of such power stations in India, which ranked second. It's currently about to start work on another 300

[Max Power]

Just now, Passing Time said:

Would there be any point? China has the greatest number of coal-fired power stations of any country or territory in the world. As of July 2024, there were 1,161 operational coal power plants on the Chinese Mainland. This was more than four times the number of such power stations in India, which ranked second. It's currently about to start work on another 300

This is the problem unfortunately, and who is going to tell emerging economies that they can't have cheap and available energy? They won't take the slightest notice of Kier Starmer and David Lammy! 

[The Voice of Reason]

52 minutes ago, Chinahand said:

Burning the lot would be terribly self destructive. Stopping subsidising it and have a tax to recoup the environment damage it does (polluter pays) will quickly allow sustainable alternatives compete it out of existence. 

Why pay say £10 per MWatt.hour or whatever from a hydrocarbon when you can get it for £8 from a renewable/sustainable source. 

But the “ whatever” from hydrocarbon might be £6 per MWhat.hour or the renewable / sustainable source be £9 per MWatt hour depending on who you listen to.

I like most on here are no expert on such things but do know that such small margins are not persuasive enough to totally embrace one source over the other.

I remember being scared shitless as a youngster that the world population would increase to such an extent that mankind would be wiped out from food shortages. That is not to deny that certain parts of the word do suffer from starvation ( and we in the West should do more to alleviate that). 

Then you have the ozone layer thingy which also seems to have gone away.

Mankind has always seemed to deal with these imagined  existential threats. We are still here and the prophets of doom re fossil fuels need to man up.

This bullshit you get from Just Stop Oil campaigners when interviewed on television saying if we don’t stop using fossil fuels within two years or whatever we will all be dead because some unhinged evangelical people from some organisation or other, says so is nonsense.

I bet you  humanity will a still be  here  in ten years, never mind two, unchanged and still listening to these doom mongers spouting the same crap 

[HeliX]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

This bullshit you get from Just Stop Oil campaigners when interviewed on television saying if we don’t stop using fossil fuels within two years or whatever we will all be dead because some unhinged evangelical people from some organisation or other, says so is nonsense.

That isn't what Just Stop Oil say. They do not suggest we stop using existing oil sources.

[Chinahand]

I've not listened to this yet so can't warrant its worth but I enjoy a lot of Humanist UK's output. 

The presenter was Extinction Rebellion spokesperson so...

 

 

[Chinahand]

3 hours ago, Passing Time said:

Would there be any point? China has the greatest number of coal-fired power stations of any country or territory in the world. As of July 2024, there were 1,161 operational coal power plants on the Chinese Mainland. This was more than four times the number of such power stations in India, which ranked second. It's currently about to start work on another 300

China is basically at peak coal. 

This interesting article explains the issues. 

https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/china-coal-plants

 

[TheTeapot]

Extremists are always wrong.

You read what Just Stop Oil or Extinction Rebellion put out and its hard to conclude they anything other than a doomsday cult. This is a problem really, they've probably got a decent point to make underneath their madness, like PETA. 

Hefty jail sentences for non violent protests are mental though.

[The Phantom]

16 hours ago, Chinahand said:

China is basically at peak coal. 

This interesting article explains the issues. 

https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/china-coal-plants

 

UK shut down its last coal power station today by coincidence. 

[The Voice of Reason]

22 hours ago, HeliX said:

That isn't what Just Stop Oil say. They do not suggest we stop using existing oil sources.

No I don’t think it is. My interpretation is that they would “ allow” existing coal, or gas fields to operate until exhausted but the likes of any new gas fields ( think Crogga) would not be allowed to be explored.I know that’s gas not oil but same principle 

Edited September 30, 2024 by The Voice of Reason

[Chinahand]

So they've now decided that desecrating the grave of Charles Darwin is the way to bring people to their cause. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/climate-activists-paint-over-darwins-grave-londons-westminster-abbey-2025-01-13/

Lovely people. 

[When Skies are Grey V2]

See they managed to stop the latest Bezos launch......so fair play to them.......oh that wasnt them is just been reset for later!

Maybe try painting the launch pad.....that seems a better use of resources....