Southport Stabbings

[manxman1980]

8 hours ago, Chinahand said:

Well I'm glad the Crown Prosecution Service is slowly doing its job. 

The trial is going to be important to show justice being done. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

 

Interesting that the terrorism charged don't appear to be related to the Southport attack.  It seems that those charges have been brought after searching his home and discovering poison and the PDF manuals.

So connected but not directly related and doesn't appear to have established any motive yet.

[hoopsaa]

5 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

Interesting that the terrorism charged don't appear to be related to the Southport attack.  It seems that those charges have been brought after searching his home and discovering poison and the PDF manuals.

So connected but not directly related and doesn't appear to have established any motive yet.

Yeah, because that would be such a huge fucking leap.

[Shake me up Judy]

1 hour ago, manxman1980 said:

Interesting that the terrorism charged don't appear to be related to the Southport attack.  It seems that those charges have been brought after searching his home and discovering poison and the PDF manuals.

So connected but not directly related and doesn't appear to have established any motive yet.

You'd better stick to Cluedo my old son.

[RecklessAbandon]

4 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

Interesting that the terrorism charged don't appear to be related to the Southport attack.  It seems that those charges have been brought after searching his home and discovering poison and the PDF manuals.

So connected but not directly related and doesn't appear to have established any motive yet.

News is saying Ricin, so more biological agent rather than poison.

[manxman1980]

13 hours ago, hoopsaa said:

Yeah, because that would be such a huge fucking leap.

 

12 hours ago, Shake me up Judy said:

You'd better stick to Cluedo my old son.

You realise that the suspect was born in Britain to Christian parents?

The terrorist documentation he has been found in possession of isn't a manual, it's  more an academic study.

And I don't know why you both got so arsey when I made no judgement other than to say that it appears that the investigation was not linking the two things together. 

Sorry if I am not conforming to your view of terrorists.

ETA:  The document is "Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants: The Al-Qaeda Training Manual". 

Please search the Internet at your own risk.

Edited October 30 by manxman1980

[hoopsaa]

10 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

 

You realise that the suspect was born in Britain to Christian parents?

The terrorist documentation he has been found in possession of isn't a manual, it's  more an academic study.

And I don't know why you both got so arsey when I made no judgement other than to say that it appears that the investigation was not linking the two things together. 

Sorry if I am not conforming to your view of terrorists.

ETA:  The document is "Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants: The Al-Qaeda Training Manual". 

Please search the Internet at your own risk.

So, according to the CPS, he's terroristic in his reading material and production of biological agents, but not in his murdering of 3 young girls.

That was totally unrelated.

Who mentioned his nationality? Why are you bringing religion into it?

[RecklessAbandon]

1 hour ago, hoopsaa said:

So, according to the CPS, he's terroristic in his reading material and production of biological agents, but not in his murdering of 3 young girls.

That was totally unrelated.

Correct.

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Who mentioned his nationality? Why are you bringing religion into it?

Nigel Farage, Tommy "locked up" Ten Names, Andrew Tate, etc

 

[Jarndyce]

21 hours ago, RecklessAbandon said:

News is saying Ricin, so more biological agent rather than poison.

You say potato…

[manxman1980]

2 hours ago, hoopsaa said:

So, according to the CPS, he's terroristic in his reading material and production of biological agents, but not in his murdering of 3 young girls.

That was totally unrelated.

Who mentioned his nationality? Why are you bringing religion into it?

The responses from yourself and Shake Me Up Judy both inferred points about religion and nationality. 

You can read for yourself why the Police and CPS are not treating the terrible events in Southport as a terrorist incident here.  (Would not be my first choice source but if I posted others then I may be accused of posting left wing bias sources.)

If you don't want to read it via a link here is a quotation;

'At this time counter terror policing have not declared the events of July 29 a terrorist incident,' she said. 'I recognise these new charges may lead to speculation.

'The method by which Axel Rudakubana has been charged under the Terror Act does not require motive to be established.'

She urged people against speculating about Rudakubana's motive online and on social media, adding that the suspect had a 'right to a fair trial.'

So, respecting that final sentence, I will simply suggest you go and read the Terror Act and exactly what the suspect has been charged with particularly in relation to why those charges do not require motive to be established. 

 

ETA:  The production of Ricin is not a terror offence.  The suspect has been charged with producing the toxin under section 1 of the Biological Weapons Act 1974.  There was no ricin found at the scene in Southport. 

Edited October 31 by manxman1980
Addition of bit about ricin

[HeliX]

Terrorism is when non-whites do bad crimes.

Edited October 31 by HeliX

[RecklessAbandon]

[Jarndyce]

4 hours ago, HeliX said:

Terrorism is when non-whites do bad crimes

Anders Breivik?

[RecklessAbandon]

10 minutes ago, Jarndyce said:

Anders Breivik?

He was just "mentally ill" and a "lone wolf".

But not a terrorist.

[HeliX]

1 minute ago, RecklessAbandon said:

He was just "mentally ill" and a "lone wolf".

But not a terrorist.

AFAIK he was convicted of terror offences in the end, but you can bet your bottom dollar if he wasn't white it wouldn't have taken months of psychological assessment to get there.

[RecklessAbandon]

2 hours ago, HeliX said:

AFAIK he was convicted of terror offences in the end, but you can bet your bottom dollar if he wasn't white it wouldn't have taken months of psychological assessment to get there.

I was being a little cheeky, he clearly a terrorist.

It was more a commentary on the fact that usually when its a white terrorist, certainly groups (right wing media especially) will bend over backwards to explain that it is anything but terrorism - hence the "lone wolf" and "mental health" comments.

Strangely, the only time the right wing media believe that mental health is an actual thing is when they use it as an excuse or to deflect on gun violence.