HeliX Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 5 minutes ago, wrighty said: I think the main objections are due to the dynamic pricing, such that the price you pay is more than you thought when you joined the queue, rather than the high price of the tickets themselves. Fairness in this regard is quite important I think, and trumps the natural law of supply and demand. Perhaps they should have sold the tickets like a Dutch Auction. Announce the price is £10000 per ticket. See how many they sell at that, then progressively reduce it (in a public and obvious way) until they're all gone. People could then choose when to bite. Still encourages ordinary people to part with more than they maybe should though... Arts and culture should not become the preserve of the wealthy. Not that I find Oasis to be particularly arty or cultured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 What are you expecting Helix ... that Oasis have to sell their tickets at a price you approve of? How do you stop Oasis tickets going for £1000 a pop, if that is what people will pay for them? People are highly resourceful and if they want something they'll try and find a way to get it. It doesn't matter what the cover price says, or the terms or conditions, humans will try and get around them. Especially when someone realises they own something they don't value nearly as much as someone else does. How dare they try to realise some of that value, hey. You need to create systems which work with, rather than deny human nature. Or else you get all sorts of distortions. I find the way this was hyped up typical of our age - there was hours of live coverage on the "news" and now politicians are jumping in. Ticket master must have been loving it. What's the betting the Gallaghers turn up late? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 1 minute ago, Chinahand said: What are you expecting Helix ... that Oasis have to sell their tickets at a price you approve of? How do you stop Oasis tickets going for £1000 a pop, if that is what people will pay for them? People are highly resourceful and if they want something they'll try and find a way to get it. It doesn't matter what the cover price says, or the terms or conditions, humans will try and get around them. Especially when someone realises they own something they don't value nearly as much as someone else does. How dare they try to realise some of that value, hey. You need to create systems which work with, rather than deny human nature. Or else you get all sorts of distortions. I find the way this was hyped up typical of our age - there was hours of live coverage on the "news" and now politicians are jumping in. Ticket master must have been loving it. What's the betting the Gallaghers turn up late? I already told you what I wanted, a lottery system with pre-registration for it. You get, say, 3 days to pay the asking price and if not it gets reallocated to someone else who entered. That seems to be the fair approach to me. Of course Oasis could charge £1000 a ticket, that's up to them. I don't buy the human nature argument. It's "human nature" to go around braining competitors for resource with rocks. Whilst I might support that if the targets are those hoarding resource, it'd be absurd to claim that all our systems which strongly discourage that "deny human nature". Just lock the tickets to an actual identifiable person on purchase and put the ability to change the identified ticket holder behind the vendor's own reselling system, and make it so you can only resell at face value. Job done. There are ticket sites that have done this (at least for some events). Rammstein via eventim could only be resold via eventim, the tickets were named (name printed on the reverse) and checked on entry. Resell and re-naming could be done only via eventim, and only for face value. I recently got half a dozen tickets for a sold out show that it then turned out we couldn't attend. I resold them for face value. Could've listed them at any price, but I didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 What you want doesn't stop the issue of the secondary market for these things if the price they are sold for is significantly below the market demand for the tickets. You are ignoring that issue, and puffing yourself up that you are so much better than people who do that. Not a way to create a system which isn't abused. Which is surely what we should be aiming for - a system where people are happy with and follow the rules set for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 21 minutes ago, Chinahand said: What you want doesn't stop the issue of the secondary market for these things if the price they are sold for is significantly below the market demand for the tickets. You are ignoring that issue, and puffing yourself up that you are so much better than people who do that. Not a way to create a system which isn't abused. Which is surely what we should be aiming for - a system where people are happy with and follow the rules set for them. China, if you read my post in full you'll note I mention id verification for tickets multiple times, and state it should only be possible to change the named person on the ticket by selling it at face value through the original vendor, multiple times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Good luck with that. Your happy to have to present an ID when buying a ticket or attending a concert? Your not troubled by privacy/data issues with that? Plus people will try and get around it. You also haven't raised how they should set a fair price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 40 minutes ago, Chinahand said: Good luck with that. Your happy to have to present an ID when buying a ticket or attending a concert? Happy? No, but I've had to do it many times. Quote Your not troubled by privacy/data issues with that? Yes, but they already have my name, address and billing details from paying for the ticket. I am unconcerned by the door staff knowing my name, as they'll probably forget it when reading the next 5,000 people's names. Quote Plus people will try and get around it. Probably shouldn't have any laws or rules then. Quote You also haven't raised how they should set a fair price. That's no different from now. The artists (mostly) choose the price. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bees Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 This has been caused by an amazing job by Oasis’s publicist, up there with the marketing of Harry Potter & 50 Shades. Whipped up a frenzy on the internet & here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted September 3 Author Share Posted September 3 12 hours ago, Chinahand said: You also haven't raised how they should set a fair price. I’ve played and promoted concerts, on a much smaller scale obviously. What I do is work out the fixed costs, and set the ticket price based on what I think is affordable for ticket buyers and will give us a reasonable payout for putting on the show. It’s not rocket science. And what I don’t do is bump up the price for the last few. Can you imagine? It would go something like this… ”Hey Wrighty, can I have 2 tickets for your gig? £20 each, right?” ”Sorry, we’ve only got 10 left, so they’re £40 each now if you want them.” It might be economically sound to do that, but it’s not right in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 I know you're not supposed to advertise here, but I have a doctors appointment...willing to swap for two Oasis tickets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 15 hours ago, Chinahand said: Good luck with that. Your happy to have to present an ID when buying a ticket or attending a concert? Your not troubled by privacy/data issues with that? Plus people will try and get around it. You also haven't raised how they should set a fair price. But that happens frequently, already, both in UK and further afield. And not just for access tickets. So it’s doable. To register for Ticketmaster in most of Europe you have to enter your passport/ID card details. Same for eventim. Most venues want that even if you buy direct and don’t set up an account. Im registered with ATG tickets, Bridge Theater and Kit Kat Club, Royal Opera, English National Opera, Manchester Royal Exchange, and other UK venues, so I can buy wheelchair and companion tickets on line, reduced prices. They’ve all required sight of ( scanned ID/Blue Badge/award letter for DLA and mobility. I’m also registered with Ticketmaster in Spain, France, Italy and Eventim in Bulgaria. It’s the same for old persons rail card, accessible rail card, forces rail card, emergency services blue light card. There are several, allegedly, national schemes for England, plus one for Wales and another for Scotland. Again it’s ID dependent. And once you’ve worked out which scheme the venue uses/recognises, or registered because they operate their own, bought your ticket, and pitch up, they reserve the right to check. I’ve been asked, on average, once a year. so, it can and does, work. Of course I’m concerned by GDPR issues that might arise. But you fly, you enter passport or ID card into the airline web site. Its all about proportionality. I get decent venue discounts ( although some of the seats are out of the way and with restricted view ). I want a unified scheme. Only one body holding my actual data. The actúal price is immaterial. The performer and venue set that. It’s controlling the dynamic pricing and the secondary market where companies are buying and selling on at vast profit. Every venue, or ticketing agency, should offer a ticket resale section at original price plus an admin fee. Entities like víagogo need closing. That leaves the issue of buying for groups, and gifts for friends. But you can transfer tickets using Ticketmaster and Trainline. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 The Gallaghers have played up their rift for years waiting for the right time to announce a reunion and milk it for all it is worth, they want to make as much money as possible and don't care about their fans, they knew about the dynamic pricing and had to agree with it. As for touts you are never going to stop that as long as there is a demand people will make money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 On 9/2/2024 at 6:25 PM, Chinahand said: Your happy to have to present an ID On 9/2/2024 at 6:25 PM, Chinahand said: Your not troubled by privacy/data issues with that? Fucking Hell, there's a King Bill's education for you. Embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 (edited) To be investigated by the UK CMA. Edited September 5 by Gladys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 I remember paying £76 to see Bowie with Tin Machine in 1990 at the London Arena, that included an exorbitant booking fee. I still haven't got over it! After all, 0.80p to see Queen at the Lido in 1974! I once bought cheap entrance tickets to the British GP at Silverstone off a Tout, once inside his accomplice bought them back for half what I'd paid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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