Man held in cells after driving on closed TT course to sue police

[Luker]

More pushback on over the top IOM police responses

https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/ramsey-man-held-in-cells-overnight-after-driving-on-closed-tt-course-to-sue-police-718231

Who on earth would not grant bail for such a ridiculous offense? 

[TheTeapot]

There is something deeply wrong with the Islands police and entire justice system, good luck to the guy in trying to take them on.

[Albert Tatlock]

More importantly, why was this incident not met with an armed response?

 

[Luker]

15 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

There is something deeply wrong with the Islands police and entire justice system, good luck to the guy in trying to take them on.

A couple of blokes came to the IOM for a day out the other week and ended up getting fined £1400 each for not even being on the TT Course but a technicality over a road closure order on a stretch of road close to the course. It’s a great way to encourage tourism for events in the IOM. Like you I hope he gets compensation. What danger to the public or flight risk did he present to have to be banged up overnight for breaching a road closure order? 

[Albert Tatlock]

6 minutes ago, Luker said:

A couple of blokes came to the IOM for a day out the other week and ended up getting fined £1400 each for not even being on the TT Course but a technicality over a road closure order on a stretch of road close to the course. It’s a great way to encourage tourism for events in the IOM. Like you I hope he gets compensation. What danger to the public or flight risk did he present to have to be banged up overnight for breaching a road closure order? 

Errr...if you are referring to the run-off area, bikes pull in there doing anything from 10mph to 100mph plus, often suddenly and unpredictability - then they were both a danger to themselves and others.

Plus, weren't they warned more than once?

[WTF]

1 hour ago, TheTeapot said:

There is something deeply wrong with the Islands police and entire justice system, good luck to the guy in trying to take them on.

but the guy in question doesn't tend to tow the line so they probably took the opportunity to impose the states ego on him to try and teach him  a lesson

Edited September 4 by WTF

[Maugholdmafia]

Good luck to Mr Kermode & his client Mr Kermode. Hope that you can get compensation. 

This website suggests £1000 per hour of detention. Assuming Mr Kermode was detained in the evening and released by the next afternoon, could it be around 15 hours? £15,000 could be just a starter.

https://www.dpp-law.com/services/actions-against-police/wrongful-arrest/

Teach the #HERBERTS a lesson!

Edited September 4 by Maugholdmafia

[2112]

1 hour ago, TheTeapot said:

There is something deeply wrong with the Islands police and entire justice system, good luck to the guy in trying to take them on.

Sadly he won’t get far. The establishment will all stick together. 

[Roger Mexico]

As I remarked on the MGP thread, it's becoming increasingly obvious that you should never plead guilty in the Manx courts at the moment.  There have been quite a few cases recently where people have said they were unaware of the situation but still fined because they pleaded guilty.  But if you can now claim "a genuine mistake" and get off, it's clear they would have escaped without a fine.  There were a number of other high-profile incidents where people weren't prosecuted, and you wonder if the cases were dropped because they said they would contest the charge and the prosecution caved in.

The police have also been quite loud this year in threatening people with "a night in the cells" and it looks like this has come back to bite them.

[Albert Tatlock]

Consistency of assessment and sentencing is a major issue here.

There should be one clear rule and result..."mistakenly" shouldn't matter. Being aggressive about it, second level perhaps.

It's black and white to me with regards closed roads. The laws there...use it properly. 

Overnight detention is over the top, unless there are drink or drugs to assess.

[Auntie Depressant]

I’m all for taking iom police to task on this one but there was something in the press release that caught my eye and left me wondering if the implication was that those with connections should not be pursued or remanded.  ‘During the court hearing, Mr Kermode said why his client had been held in cells overnight was ‘baffling’ given his extensive ties to the island.’ Can anyone explain this?

[Mercenary]

5 minutes ago, Auntie Depressant said:

I’m all for taking iom police to task on this one but there was something in the press release that caught my eye and left me wondering if the implication was that those with connections should not be pursued or remanded.  ‘During the court hearing, Mr Kermode said why his client had been held in cells overnight was ‘baffling’ given his extensive ties to the island.’ Can anyone explain this?

I would guess it's more reflecting he's not on the boat in the morning back to UK/wherever (i.e. they are not going to struggle to find him for any future court appearances)

[Auntie Depressant]

2 minutes ago, Mercenary said:

I would guess it's more reflecting he's not on the boat in the morning back to UK/wherever (i.e. they are not going to struggle to find him for any future court appearances)

That makes complete sense which is why it probably never occurred to me. 

[Luker]

36 minutes ago, Mercenary said:

I would guess it's more reflecting he's not on the boat in the morning back to UK/wherever (i.e. they are not going to struggle to find him for any future court appearances)

His name is Kermode. On the basis that he or his family have probably been here for 500 years what sort of flight risk would there be that a local man had to be locked up for? He’s hardly going to get on the boat and do a bunk from his whole life in the IOM over a poxy charge like that is he? 

[Barlow]

5 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said:

 

I believe our policemen are getting more andvmore rotund (source: various FOI requests regarding waste size of police issue trousers) but I don't think there is a need for vehicles that big.

Edited September 4 by Barlow