Stu Peters has half decent idea

[Thefella]

Let’s just get rid of all the climate change rubbish and use the money saved to actually provide services we can use

https://manx.news/mhk-calls-for-review-of-net-zero-budgets/

He has a point. Daphne should be charged with treason for all the money allocated to the climate change team that has been wasted on nothing. 

[Gladys]

10 minutes ago, Thefella said:

Let’s just get rid of all the climate change rubbish and use the money saved to actually provide services we can use

https://manx.news/mhk-calls-for-review-of-net-zero-budgets/

He has a point. Daphne should be charged with treason for all the money allocated to the climate change team that has been wasted on nothing. 

He is 100% correct, but I'm not sure about a treason charge. 

[Non-Believer]

I think he has some good points too, interesting to read his conversation with those in the power station, that it could actually, "run for decades" which gives the lie to those claiming that it's on its last legs. Also his views about the world stage bit.

Of course Stu would come up against another big obstacle or two here. One of which is that some people will be enjoying lucrative employment/careers, if not making rather a lot of other money out of the current climate change push. 

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[HeliX]

The funds should be used to reduce the cost of living. If in some cases that means alternate power that happens to be green, great. If in others it doesn't, fine. As long as all of it is actually to some benefit to taxpayers not just chasing a target.

[Thefella]

19 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

I One of which is that some people will be enjoying lucrative employment/careers, if not making rather a lot of other money out of the current climate change push. 

Not sure, even civil servants seem to be fed up of the climate change transformation team. Apparently they are a load of WFH grifters who are never even seen on government premises as they’re too busy saving the world by not burning £2 of petrol to get into work. All meetings by Teams as the lazy twats can’t even be bothered coming to work. 

[The Voice of Reason]

34 minutes ago, Gladys said:

He is 100% correct, but I'm not sure about a treason charge. 

Agreed I’d be happy to drop the treason charge if the money given to Daphers was taken back and spent usefully.

[asitis]

Whilst I am in favour of mitigating damage to the planet and indeed our local environment, I am not in favour of bankrupting ourselves trying to do so !

In our current financial position we have, imo, to be pragmatic, and mitigate, rather than lead the world in a race to net zero.

It will be no good for the climate zealots having a nice fuzzy feeling that they have saved the planet ( although our footprint is an atomic particle size in the universe of these things ), if we are back at spuds and herrings !

Sensible intiatives yes, but this sudden, Milliband like, cut your own throat approach is nonsense !

 

 

[Mercenary]

13 minutes ago, Thefella said:

Not sure, even civil servants seem to be fed up of the climate change transformation team. Apparently they are a load of WFH grifters who are never even seen on government premises as they’re too busy saving the world by not burning £2 of petrol to get into work. All meetings by Teams as the lazy twats can’t even be bothered coming to work. 

Presumably they would have to 'quiet quit ' the agenda as there's little chance of the primary legislation being repealed. Climate Change Act 2021 ..... "The Council of Ministers must ensure that the net Isle of Man emissions account for the year 2050 (the “net zero emissions target year”) is at least 100% lower than the baseline (the “net zero emissions target”)." amongst other similar provisos

 

What happens if they just, don't? Future budgets up to judicial challenge?

[Two-lane]

4 minutes ago, Mercenary said:

What happens if they just, don't?

I suppose it is a bit out of context here, but Tynwald did vote for MHKs and some civil servants to pay for car parking in Douglas.

They don't.

 

[b4mbi]

11 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

I suppose it is a bit out of context here, but Tynwald did vote for MHKs and some civil servants to pay for car parking in Douglas.

They don't.

 

And also for the horse tram to go to the sea terminal.

And it doesn't

But guess that isn't enshrined in primary legislation. Can this not be repealed?

[Utah 01]

18 minutes ago, Mercenary said:

there's little chance of the primary legislation being repealed

Why? Who's mandate was it foisted on us by?  Easy come, easy go.

[Dirty Buggane]

Just ignore the legislation the same way Alinson is going to ignore the legal protection legislation on the NI fund. Fuckwit.

[Gladys]

21 minutes ago, Utah 01 said:

Why? Who's mandate was it foisted on us by?  Easy come, easy go.

Ignored child syndrome, yet again.  We should be making reasonable endeavours to reduce our carbon footprint, but 'reasonable' includes without adversely impacting our very small economy as that would be completely unreasonable. 

[Non-Believer]

43 minutes ago, Mercenary said:

Presumably they would have to 'quiet quit ' the agenda as there's little chance of the primary legislation being repealed. Climate Change Act 2021 ..... "The Council of Ministers must ensure that the net Isle of Man emissions account for the year 2050 (the “net zero emissions target year”) is at least 100% lower than the baseline (the “net zero emissions target”)." amongst other similar provisos

 

What happens if they just, don't? Future budgets up to judicial challenge?

In that case they might also have to rescind any associated taxes levied.

No chance.

[Thefella]

44 minutes ago, Mercenary said:

Presumably they would have to 'quiet quit ' the agenda as there's little chance of the primary legislation being repealed. Climate Change Act 2021 ..... "The Council of Ministers must ensure that the net Isle of Man emissions account for the year 2050 (the “net zero emissions target year”) is at least 100% lower than the baseline (the “net zero emissions target”)." amongst other similar provisos

When were they going to deliver anything anyway? It doesn’t matter if the act is on the books as this government couldn’t deliver milk. Most governments who signed that worthless piece of paper won’t be delivering on the pledge either. It’s just another green wank-a-thon.