Young people on long term mental health sickness leave upsetting!

[Manx Bean]

7 hours ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

It wasn’t that long ago that you’d write off kids as being quite literally, “defectives”. It didn’t matter if they were intelligent, if they struggled to read or write, then, they were dim and should just get on with that.

Of course, it turns out that you can actually both be dyslexic and very intelligent, but, it’s also reasonable to acknowledge that people with these conditions may still struggle with day-to-day skills. Einstein would forget to eat, lose his keys and forget his own phone number.

None of these conditions automatically make someone smart or stupid, but equally, I have met some very bright people with ADHD, who could solve problems few others could, and are highly qualified to prove it, but, they will also forget the mundane, like regular meals, paying bills on time etc, as their brains are always otherwise engaged.

So, maybe it isn’t a case of over diagnosing, but realising we know what signs to look for and how we can support people. 

The problem today though..in fact more of a pandemic..is anyone 25 or younger these days needs to have a label. This in itself has spawned a whole new industry of “therapists” or online assessment centres where you can be told whether or not you “may” be autistic and therefore believe you aren’t “normal”. As I said to a young person recently after such a conversation..define normal?!

So kids. Get over it. Life is what you make it. 

[Tinpot]

14 minutes ago, Manx Bean said:

The problem today though..in fact more of a pandemic..is anyone 25 or younger these days needs to have a label

What a load of crap.

[RecklessAbandon]

13 hours ago, Passing Time said:

The constant excuse of mental health issues is appalling. Those that actually need help often get overlooked by the shysters crying wolf

Toxic masculinity in one sentence.

"In my day we beat children until they behaved.  I'm sure they will grow up with no mental issues or bad imprinted behaviour"

[RecklessAbandon]

Imagine being 16, told that you will never own a home unless someone else invests a large sum of money on your behalf, you will have to work for the next 47-57 years (depending on what sector you end up in and the ever increasing age of retirement), people who are older than you who enjoyed freedom of movement around Europe voted to take it away from you, there is every chance that University will place you in debt for the next 20 years, old farts want to force you to sign up to the army for compulsory conscription for 2 years, the internet is constantly telling you that you are fat, etc.

All the while the generations before them are sneering at them for some reason be it the past times they enjoy or the way they talk to them, ignoring the fact this happens with every generation before it.

[Passing Time]

7 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said:

Imagine being 16, told that you will never own a home unless someone else invests a large sum of money on your behalf, you will have to work for the next 47-57 years (depending on what sector you end up in and the ever increasing age of retirement), people who are older than you who enjoyed freedom of movement around Europe voted to take it away from you, there is every chance that University will place you in debt for the next 20 years, old farts want to force you to sign up to the army for compulsory conscription for 2 years, the internet is constantly telling you that you are fat, etc.

All the while the generations before them are sneering at them for some reason be it the past times they enjoy or the way they talk to them, ignoring the fact this happens with every generation before it.

Imagine having to grow a pair and deal with life's problems like an adult instead of whining on about how difficult it is for them. We have all had difficulties in our lives but just got on with it. In your comments above you have clearly outlined the so called mental health myth

[RecklessAbandon]

2 minutes ago, Passing Time said:

Imagine having to grow a pair and deal with life's problems like an adult instead of whining on about how difficult it is for them. We have all had difficulties in our lives but just got on with it. In your comments above you have clearly outlined the so called mental health myth

Once again, showing the exact kind of thinking that personifies toxic masculinity.

And people wonder why suicide in men is on the rise - slow clap.

[The Voice of Reason]

5 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said:

Once again, showing the exact kind of thinking that personifies toxic masculinity.

And people wonder why suicide in men is on the rise - slow clap.

It’s not

Jan 2024

Age and sex

Suicide in England and Wales is three times more common among men than among women. The gap between sexes has increased over time. The suicide rate among women has approximately halved since 1981, while the rate among men has reduced by 20%.

[Gladys]

28 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said:

Imagine being 16, told that you will never own a home unless someone else invests a large sum of money on your behalf, you will have to work for the next 47-57 years (depending on what sector you end up in and the ever increasing age of retirement), people who are older than you who enjoyed freedom of movement around Europe voted to take it away from you, there is every chance that University will place you in debt for the next 20 years, old farts want to force you to sign up to the army for compulsory conscription for 2 years, the internet is constantly telling you that you are fat, etc.

All the while the generations before them are sneering at them for some reason be it the past times they enjoy or the way they talk to them, ignoring the fact this happens with every generation before it.

I am not sure anyone if 16 has been told any of that, far less would they even be considerations.  Those kinds of considerations start to dawn later.

The reasons are probably a combination of a whole load of factors - lack of face to face interraction, unsupervised,  with peers, taking and dealing with the kicks along with the wins, risk averse upbringing, definitions, unrealistic role models in the media,  and so on. 

[Andy Onchan]

12 hours ago, Manx Bean said:

Unfortunately, this situation is very much one our own making. The digital age has a lot to be held to account for. 
 

When I was a kid I hadn’t even heard of stress. We went to school. We played outside all the time, come rain or shine. If we became upset over something we were told to grow up and get on with it, and we did.

I didn’t get a say in what clothes I wore until I was at least 10. And I didn’t care. 
 

Today..well, it’s fucked up.

Nail on the head. 110% agree about the digital age being the main culprit.

The digital age of late is going to end up the same way as cigarettes, governments will, one way or another, have to wean youngsters off of phones and other digital devices where social media is available because they find it hard to distinguish between reality and made up shit. Though quite how they're going to do that is another conundrum.

[Banker]

There’s a lot of people claiming sickness benefits, young & old. There’s no doubt that a lot of them just don’t want to work, many are able to walk 1/2 miles to collect sickness benefits and then go to nags head, market , Albert etc etc . Many are able to work but just don’t want to & not interested in anything to help them get back to work.

[Moghrey Mie]

8 minutes ago, Banker said:

There’s a lot of people claiming sickness benefits, young & old. There’s no doubt that a lot of them just don’t want to work, many are able to walk 1/2 miles to collect sickness benefits and then go to nags head, market , Albert etc etc . Many are able to work but just don’t want to & not interested in anything to help them get back to work.

Numbers please.

[AcousticallyChallenged]

16 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Nail on the head. 110% agree about the digital age being the main culprit.

The digital age of late is going to end up the same way as cigarettes, governments will, one way or another, have to wean youngsters off of phones and other digital devices where social media is available because they find it hard to distinguish between reality and made up shit. Though quite how they're going to do that is another conundrum.

Social media is very much designed to be addictive.

They’ve refined and distilled what works to make it hit all of the right brain receptors to keep you scrolling.

Kids have no chance really. 

[AcousticallyChallenged]

48 minutes ago, Passing Time said:

Imagine having to grow a pair and deal with life's problems like an adult instead of whining on about how difficult it is for them. We have all had difficulties in our lives but just got on with it. In your comments above you have clearly outlined the so called mental health myth

I’ve seen people with no arms fly a plane.

Does that mean that we should expect all those with limb differences to get on with it and achieve the same levels?

[Moghrey Mie]

5 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said:

Numbers please.

The most recent figures I can find are these.

'As of 31 March 2021, 1,020 people were claiming Employed Person’s Allowance, 1,289 people in receipt of the Retirement Pension were claiming Income Support, along with 1,886 registered as sick, 685 people registered as looking for work and 280 lone parents or widows under pension age were claiming Income Support.'

'As at December 2021, the number of people in employment stood at 35,391 in 51,437 jobs. There were also 8,099 people who were self-employed.'

The Isle of Man in Numbers

[Passing Time]

55 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said:

Once again, showing the exact kind of thinking that personifies toxic masculinity.

And people wonder why suicide in men is on the rise - slow clap.

Spectacularly proving that you are part of the problem...well done you