Assisted dying

[Banker]

Bill passed in UK which should assist getting it passed & royal approval here,  I’m personally in favour of choice so a good day.

[RecklessAbandon]

As long as sufficient safe guards are put in place, I am fully behind this.

It has struck me as odd that we as society have no problems "putting down" animals to end their suffering, but then baulk at the idea of ending another human's suffering.

[WTF]

4 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said:

As long as sufficient safe guards are put in place, I am fully behind this.

It has struck me as odd that we as society have no problems "putting down" animals to end their suffering, but then baulk at the idea of ending another human's suffering.

especially when they refer to the process as 'humane'

[Fred the shred]

The House of Lords will have to pass it now watch now how the God worriers namely the Bishops will delay and frustrate.  This of course is the sign our lot have been waiting for now they can proceed LegCo permitting .     This is precisely why the Bishop should not have a vote.   

[Passing Time]

Are you allowed to nominate people… asking for a friend 

[kevster]

24 minutes ago, Banker said:

Bill passed in UK which should assist getting it passed & royal approval here,  I’m personally in favour of choice so a good day.

There’s still a long way to go before it becomes law. 

[The Phantom]

That'll stop the 'death tourists' that I understand was some of the concern about bringing it in here. 

[Fred the shred]

Absolutely , amendments etc, but we have already done all that in Tynwald it is just LegCo left to nit pick.    The will of Westminster to proceed will give encouragement to our law makers to proceed though in the manner that has been approved by Tynwald much better than the copy and paste way forward that is usually adopted. 

[hoopsaa]

2 hours ago, RecklessAbandon said:

As long as sufficient safe guards are put in place, I am fully behind this.

It has struck me as odd that we as society have no problems "putting down" animals to end their suffering, but then baulk at the idea of ending another human's suffering.

Yeah, we also eat animals, though!

We have a very strange relationship with other species on this planet.

[Holte End]

2 hours ago, Passing Time said:

Are you allowed to nominate people… asking for a friend 

Not when they are already brain dead.

[code99]

Despite innumerable, often very emotional and compelling arguments presented by some highly respected and honourable opponents of the assisted dying (Liz Carr, Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson, to name but two), I am glad the Bill has progressed to the next stage. Although the House of Lords will likely to ask for some amendments, the indications are that the Dignity in Dying supported Bill will become a new law by the end of next year.

That said, the unsatisfactory state of the IOM's healthcare often fails some patients and causes real harm - one could be forgiven for thinking that the island already has a secret ‘policy’ of assisted dying. Just a few examples:

1. Recently a Manx Care spokesperson apologised on Manx Radio to women with newly diagnosed breast cancer for the delays in organising their treatment.

2. Due to cuts to our frontline health services, Manx Care is planning to postpone hernia operations, describing these conditions as routine/non-urgent (as if people 'elect' to have hernias). Hernias can become strangulated at any-time, anywhere - something that becomes an immediate and critical emergency when it happens. A strangulated hernia is a dangerous (but completely preventable) condition that can lead to the patient becoming very ill (such as sepsis) or worse, dying.

3. Due to budgetary constraints, it seems that the Manx Care roll-out of shingle vaccine programme for elderly people (available on NHS in England and Wales) has been postponed.  

This current Government gives the impression that it dislikes some old poor people (old and rich people are OK because they can generally pay for their own health privately and are therefore not a burden on the Treasury's finances). But what the public needs to understand is that a failing health system is bad news for IOM residents of all ages, and is a much bigger problem than just cost. Along with unaffordable housing, unreliable external transport links and a high cost of living compared to many parts of the UK, this is a factor often cited by prospective employees as a ‘barrier’ to relocating to the Island, yet the IOMG/ Council of Ministers seem tone deaf. Why is this?

Edited November 30 by code99
clarification

[Jarndyce]

12 minutes ago, code99 said:

one could be forgiven for thinking that the island already has a secret ‘policy’ of assisted dying

Bollocks.

The remainder of your post has some reasonable points to make: the comment above will inspire the conspiracy theorists - and they don’t need much encouragement.

[code99]

8 minutes ago, Jarndyce said:

Bollocks.

The remainder of your post has some reasonable points to make: the comment above will inspire the conspiracy theorists - and they don’t need much encouragement.

OK. I take your point.

[Utah 01]

If this takes the parish council as long to sort out as the Crogga saga, we can all look forward to long, but for some, insufferable lives.

[Banker]

48 minutes ago, code99 said:

Despite innumerable, often very emotional and compelling arguments presented by some highly respected and honourable opponents of the assisted dying (Liz Carr, Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson, to name but two), I am glad the Bill has progressed to the next stage. Although the House of Lords will likely to ask for some amendments, the indications are that the Dignity in Dying supported Bill will become a new law by the end of next year.

That said, the unsatisfactory state of the IOM's healthcare often fails some patients and causes real harm - one could be forgiven for thinking that the island already has a secret ‘policy’ of assisted dying. Just a few examples:

1. Recently a Manx Care spokesperson apologised on Manx Radio to women with newly diagnosed breast cancer for the delays in organising their treatment.

2. Due to cuts to our frontline health services, Manx Care is planning to postpone hernia operations, describing these conditions as routine/non-urgent (as if people 'elect' to have hernias). Hernias can become strangulated at any-time, anywhere - something that becomes an immediate and critical emergency when it happens. A strangulated hernia is a dangerous (but completely preventable) condition that can lead to the patient becoming very ill (such as sepsis) or worse, dying.

3. Due to budgetary constraints, it seems that the Manx Care roll-out of shingle vaccine programme for elderly people (available on NHS in England and Wales) has been postponed.  

This current Government gives the impression that it dislikes some old poor people (old and rich people are OK because they can generally pay for their own health privately and are therefore not a burden on the Treasury's finances). But what the public needs to understand is that a failing health system is bad news for IOM residents of all ages, and is a much bigger problem than just cost. Along with unaffordable housing, unreliable external transport links and a high cost of living compared to many parts of the UK, this is a factor often cited by prospective employees as a ‘barrier’ to relocating to the Island, yet the IOMG/ Council of Ministers seem tone deaf. Why is this?

Not sure about your first 2 

points but it’s been widely publicised that the shingles vaccine rollout is starting in January although you may die shortly afterwards if you believe the anti vaccine loons on Facebook and Andrew fentons Iom what etc page!