Assisted dying

[Twitch]

2 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Doesn't the Hospice get some funding from DHSC/MC? 

A fraction of what it needs.

[code99]

12 minutes ago, Twitch said:

I don't think that's strictly true. My main objection (and I have no real issue with choice) is that our palliative and hospice care in the Isle of Man relies on charity. I don't think we should be pushing assisted suicide until we are all having a broader conversation about funding this type of care. However that won't get Allinson his coverage in the Guardian I guess. 

I am in favour of the compassionate assisted dying legislation, but I also understand your perspective.

in the UK: "MPs on both sides of the debate over assisted dying have called for improvements to palliative care".

[code99]

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Edited December 1, 2024 by code99

[Gladys]

5 minutes ago, Twitch said:

A fraction of what it needs.

Yes, it probably is.  But it works very well as it is now.  Of course it will always need/want more money, but it provides an excellent service and facility.  Increase the government funding ( and involvement) and do you really think those services would be improved, or would it become something of a political football? 

 

 

[Twitch]

Just now, Gladys said:

Yes, it probably is.  But it works very well as it is now.  Of course it will always need/want more money, but it provides an excellent service and facility.  Increase the government funding ( and involvement) and do you really think those services would be improved, or would it become something of a political football? 

 

 

Well they wouldn’t run the risk of having to slash the service or risk the charity of donors running out. The latter is a big worry in the current climate.

[Gladys]

13 minutes ago, Twitch said:

Well they wouldn’t run the risk of having to slash the service or risk the charity of donors running out. The latter is a big worry in the current climate.

Replaced by the worry of having their government funding cut.  Not against supporting them, and they do an excellent job, but not sure that more government funding with all the strings that will be attached would improve their position. 

[woolley]

1 hour ago, Twitch said:

I don't think we should be pushing assisted suicide.

Emotive language at the double in one sentence. Nobody is pushing anything. It's about offering choice. And it's only suicide in the strictest definition of the word when death is already knocking at your door in the most excruciating of ways.

[woolley]

1 hour ago, Twitch said:

Well they wouldn’t run the risk of having to slash the service or risk the charity of donors running out. The latter is a big worry in the current climate.

And of course, the government never cuts services. 

[WTF]

1 hour ago, woolley said:

And of course, the government never cuts services. 

you can't cut what you aren't providing.

[Twitch]

1 hour ago, woolley said:

Emotive language at the double in one sentence. Nobody is pushing anything. It's about offering choice. And it's only suicide in the strictest definition of the word when death is already knocking at your door in the most excruciating of ways.

I’d already pointed out earlier I wasn’t against choice. I just think the choices should be equitable. There’s a danger they won’t be for much longer.

[woolley]

1 hour ago, WTF said:

you can't cut what you aren't providing.

Exactly. 

[Casta]

A year or two back, a neighbour was over 10 weeks in intensive care at Nobles. Many folk write him off, even some of their family said he was "a vegetable", there would be no point in them living in any case.

A close relative wouldn't and didn't give up. Neither did Nobles Ward 17 (bless them). He pulled through and is as right as ever. 

Just by definition, being in ICU is a knife edge situation.

I do wonder what might have happened if this law had been knocking about then.

[woolley]

1 hour ago, Twitch said:

I’d already pointed out earlier I wasn’t against choice. I just think the choices should be equitable. There’s a danger they won’t be for much longer.

Don't see how or why. There's no choice now. 

[Gladys]

12 minutes ago, Casta said:

A year or two back, a neighbour was over 10 weeks in intensive care at Nobles. Many folk write him off, even some of their family said he was "a vegetable", there would be no point in them living in any case.

A close relative wouldn't and didn't give up. Neither did Nobles Ward 17 (bless them). He pulled through and is as right as ever. 

Just by definition, being in ICU is a knife edge situation.

I do wonder what might have happened if this law had been knocking about then.

If they were in a coma, they would not have had the capacity to start the process of assisted dying. 

[Albert Tatlock]

13 minutes ago, Gladys said:

If they were in a coma, they would not have had the capacity to start the process of assisted dying. 

So you have to be conscious to make any final decision on your life ...even if you have previously signed off on your wishes if you were to end up in a coma?