Gibbet Posted August 12, 2004 Posted August 12, 2004 ARE YOU BEING DENIED ACCESS TO YOUR CHILDREN? Are you being prevented from seeing your children or grandchildren by the Family Courts? Are you being excluded from the lives of your children or grandchildren? Are your children or grandchildren being alienated against you? Are your human rights and those of your children being ignored or abused? JOIN THE CAMPAIGN FOR TRUTH, JUSTICE & EQUALITY IN FAMILY LAW. If you have been watching the news, you have already heard of Fathers 4 Justice. The situation in the Isle of Man is worse than the uk. Manx law is years behind British Law, and it is clear that British law is outdated and inadequate. Help make equal parenting a reality, for both Mums & Dads.
Phil Andrews Posted August 12, 2004 Posted August 12, 2004 How do I go about joining this campaign? It is a subject I feel VERY strongly about and have done for several years.
Ripsaw Posted August 12, 2004 Posted August 12, 2004 Are you speaking from personal experience or on behalf of others? Are you able to elaborate on which aspect of Manx Family Law that you feel is lacking/discriminitory? JOIN THE CAMPAIGN FOR TRUTH, JUSTICE & EQUALITY IN FAMILY LAW. If you have been watching the news, you have already heard of Fathers 4 Justice. The situation in the Isle of Man is worse than the uk. Manx law is years behind British Law, and it is clear that British law is outdated and inadequate. Help make equal parenting a reality, for both Mums & Dads. Are you trying to form a Manx based group of F4J? I'm interested your reasons for starting this thread and what your aims are.
Stryder Posted August 13, 2004 Posted August 13, 2004 Are Gibbet and Phil Andrews one and the same? Maybe I am just too suspicious
Ripsaw Posted August 13, 2004 Posted August 13, 2004 Claiming to be "Online Community Pages for Families on the Isle of Man" It has already received publicity in the local papers, on Border TV and will soon be featured on Manx Radio. It does need more reader participation though in a few areas. The site owner is a really nice bloke too. * Direct Link *
Stavros Posted August 13, 2004 Posted August 13, 2004 The Manx Radio slot was this morning! You're right Ripsaw, that bloke that owns the site did sound like a nice chappie! Stav.
Ripsaw Posted August 13, 2004 Posted August 13, 2004 The Manx Radio slot was this morning! You're right Ripsaw, that bloke that owns the site did sound like a nice chappie! Stav. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This Morning?? Goddam!!! missed it.
Stavros Posted August 13, 2004 Posted August 13, 2004 It was on Mandate at about 8.10 - 8.15 am this morning. It will be in the vault HERE and will be about ten minutes into the programme. Stav.
Ripsaw Posted August 13, 2004 Posted August 13, 2004 Cheers Stav, just listened to the interview. Shame they called it ManxParents.com, it's ManxParents.net
zephyr Posted August 13, 2004 Posted August 13, 2004 Unfortuanatly I have never had kids, I have raised a few and they have turned out good. I look to them and judge my own performance
Gibbet Posted August 13, 2004 Author Posted August 13, 2004 I'm living on the mainland now, been fighting to see my kids for 4 years. I am a member of fathers 4 justice, I know what I've been through in last 4 years and I know I'm not the only one. Fathers 4 Justice have given me hope, and put me in the right direction after I had almost given up altogether. I think it is time the Isle of Man had a branch if Phil is interested please mail me. (F4J will give you all the support you need to set up a group). It is easy to become a member of F4J by visiting thier website. It's not all about protests, you can get uptodate infomation to help you build your own case, advise of how to handle the family court system. (All from people who have already been there). www.fathers-4-justice.org JUSTICE IS COMING - WE HAVE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.....
Ripsaw Posted August 13, 2004 Posted August 13, 2004 Following the famous "Purple Powder" attack, I called into Tynwald Reference library a couple of times to read up a bit on Family Law, in particular the guidelines to how courts should treat fathers in the case of family breakdown. I admit that I was only able to flick through the pages (too many to study in depth during my lunch breaks) but the overall impression that I received was that the old adage of men being breadwinners and mothers being home makers is not assumed to be the case and all cases should be treated on their own merits. Nowhere did I see guidence along the lines of "Mothers should be awarded custody and fathers should come second". I would like to think that these days there is the chance to express common sense and do the right thing for both parents and all involved children. There is a traddition in most people's minds that children are better off living with mothers with dad's having specific days to have access, but there are ways to ensure equality in the rights to share the upbringing of children. Quite often it depends on the attitudes of mother and father in the first instance. I'm not saying that it isn't the case that mothers appear to receive preferential treatment, but in the eyes of the law books (from what I could muster) both parents are on an even footing. Are you able to elaborate on which aspect of Manx Family Law that you feel is lacking/discriminitory? I'm still interested in the above. If there is discrimination, mothers and fathers need to know about it, then maybe we can move forward.
Bill Posters Posted August 13, 2004 Posted August 13, 2004 If there is discrimination, mothers and fathers need to know about it, then maybe we can move forward. Very true. Surely the best 'playing surface' is a level playing field. I would love to think that each case was judged on it's specific merits. However, I fear that it's probably all too easy to err on the side of 'mums being best' For years we've sold the image of men who take no interest in their children, leaving the poor Mums to struggle on alone. Whilst I know that there are still some men like that, I suspect that there are a lot more who care passionately about their children. Why should they have to fight for what should be a right. All that hassle can't be any good for the children. I suspect that the only people who win in these things are the vultures lawyers. (Before anyone complains, I have a friend who is an advocate who agrees with this view). Edited for typo.
Ripsaw Posted August 13, 2004 Posted August 13, 2004 The Convention on the Rights of the Child put children's rights on the world's agenda; it is the most widely ratified treaty in the world. Adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on November 20, 1989, the Convention promises children around the world the right to life, liberty, education, and health care. It provides protection to children in armed conflict, protection from discrimination, protection from torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, protection within the justice system, and protection from economic exploitation, in addition to many other fundamental protections. Despite the convention's near-universal ratification (only the U.S. and Somalia have not ratified it), children are still denied their basic rights.Source: Human Rights Watch : Children The Convention on the Rights of the Child (effective 2nd Sept. 1990) Article 91. Parties shall ensure that a child shall not be separated from his or her parents against their will, except when competent authorities subject to judicial review determine, in accordance with applicable law and procedures, that such separation is necessary for the best interests of the child. Such determination may be necessary in a particular case such as one involving abuse or neglect of the child by the parents, or one where the parents are living separately and a decision must be made as to the child's place of residence. 2. In any proceedings pursuant to paragraph 1 of the present article, all interested parties shall be given an opportunity to participate in the proceedings and make their views known. 3. Parties shall respect the right of the child who is separated from one or both parents to maintain personal relations and direct contact with both parents on a regular basis, except if it is contrary to the child's best interests. 4. Where such separation results from any action initiated by a State Party, such as the detention, imprisonment, exile, deportation or death (including death arising from any cause while the person is in the custody of the State) of one or both parents or of the child, that State Party shall, upon request, provide the parents, the child or, if appropriate, another member of the family with the essential information concerning the whereabouts of the absent member(s) of the family unless the provision of the information would be detrimental to the well-being of the child. States Parties shall further ensure that the submission of such a request shall of itself entail no adverse consequences for the person(s) concerned. Article 16 1. No child shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his or her privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to unlawful attacks on his or her honour and reputation. 2. The child has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks. Source: The Convention on the Rights of the Child Edit:Typo
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