Minnie Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 I disagree, Kelly, that mothers have a closer/stronger bond with their children than fathers do. You can't say that just because the mother carried the child for 9 months and breastfed it, she would love the child more than the father would.
Kelly Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 Ripsaw In general, yes. Not always the case of course but in general yes. But I also think women do a better job at bringing up children too.In general again and I am not saying men cannot do it or even that a child being brought up by its mum alone is automatically better off than a child being brought up by its dad alone. But looking at the website they are mainly wanting rights to see their children which they of course should have. But they are campaigning for rights for grandparents too which seems stupid. Grandparents have no rights it is up to the parents if they want their children to see the grandparents. Of course it would be best for children to see their grandparents but the law should not get involved. Look at one statistic from the f4j website: 40% of all fathers lose contact with their children within 2 years. says it all
Kelly Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 As a woman I feel I should have more rights than the father of my children. BANG! What was that? That was the level playing field going up in smoke. which could happen if men were looked on as equalPerish the thought TROLL what if a woman was pregnant and not with the father and he decdied he wanted the baby. should a man have an equal chance of bringing up that baby and effectively taking the baby away from its mother the minute it was born. Why not? I bet you'd be happy enough to take his money. Very strange idea of equality. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> what are you on about. do you really believe that a man should have the right to take away a newborn baby from its mum just because he has a bigger house and more money.
Bill Posters Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 Look at one statistic from the f4j website: 40% of all fathers lose contact with their children within 2 years. Says it all? It may do. But it may not be saying what you are. It could simply reflect the fact that some men give up because the odds are stacked against them.
Stavros Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 She'll be wanting the vote for women next! Stav.
Kelly Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 I doubt most men would even want to have equal rights. Bringing up children is a hard job especially if your a single parent. But the bottom line for me is that mothers have more rights than fathers and I think that is the way it should be.
Bill Posters Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 do you really believe that a man should have the right to take away a newborn baby from its mum just because he has a bigger house and more money. I didn't say anything about a 'bigger house'. The reference to money was with regard to child support claimed against men by some women. If the father is going to be a better parent then, yes, let him look after the child. As I have said before, it's about the best interests of the child, not the squabbling parents.
Minnie Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 Look at one statistic from the f4j website: 40% of all fathers lose contact with their children within 2 years. says it all <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think they lose contact with their children through their own choice though. I doubt most men would even want to have equal rights. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I doubt that comment is right.
Kelly Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 Yes but if men were regarded as totally equal with women then if a baby was born and the man wanted it and so did the woman then there would have to be someone like a court deciding where it would go. If they were both equally fit parents then something like more money could be the deciding factor. As it is now with men not being regarded as equal a man would never try to take a baby away from its mother unless she was an unfit mother as he would have no chance. Whcih is as it should be. I dont know why you are bringing child support into this. Of course the absent parent should pay child support.
Stavros Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 Yes but if men were regarded as totally equal with men Huh? Stav.
Bill Posters Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 Give 'em enoguh rope... and they'll tie themselves in knots!
Ripsaw Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 Kelly, do you remember the days when a wife was akin to being a servant and men were always right, simple as? Women did as they were told and were grateful to do so? The world has moved on thankfully, woman have the right to equality in the home as they should. The law which is based on evidence and fact says that both parents have equality in the matter of bringing up a child. Mothers do NOT have more rights towards the child in the break up of a relationship. The reason? Because mums and dads were so caught up in their own petty squabbles (generlly) so the lawmakers looked at the evidence and decided to put the child's wellbeing first something that more so called "loving" parents should do. Statistics may show that the end result is more children spending more time with mothers, but that doesn't mean that they are automatically assumed to be "better" in any way shape or form.
Minnie Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 Kelly, do you remember the days when a wife was akin to being a servant and men were always right, simple as? Women did as they were told and were grateful to do so? The world has moved on thankfully, woman have the right to equality in the home as they should. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The world has moved on..........women are still servants, but instead of men we are now always right!
Bill Posters Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 Yes, but you could LET us think we get something right occasionally
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