Kelly Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 Kelly, do you remember the days when a wife was akin to being a servant and men were always right, simple as? Women did as they were told and were grateful to do so?No I dont. do you? The law which is based on evidence and fact says that both parents have equality in the matter of bringing up a child. Mothers do NOT have more rights towards the child in the break up of a relationship. The reason? Because mums and dads were so caught up in their own petty squabbles (generlly) so the lawmakers looked at the evidence and decided to put the child's wellbeing first something that more so called "loving" parents should do. Statistics may show that the end result is more children spending more time with mothers, but that doesn't mean that they are automatically assumed to be "better" in any way shape or form. In the written law it may not say that women have more rights as parents, but most people do believe that children are better off with their mothers, as I do. And what about in the NON event of a relationship to break up. As I have asked, does anyone really believe that a newborn baby should be able to be taken away from the mother to be brought up by the father even if there is nothing wrong with the parenting skills of the mother. If fathers were considered equal then this could happen, but they are not! The child would automatically stay with the mother, as it should be, whether you like it or not.
Bill Posters Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 but most people do believe that children are better off with their mothers, What do you 'base' this 'fact' on?
Kelly Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 The fact that most children remain with their mums in the event of divorse. Mum believes they are better off with her and so does dad.
Ripsaw Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 As I have asked, does anyone really believe that a newborn baby should be able to be taken away from the mother to be brought up by the father even if there is nothing wrong with the parenting skills of the mother. If fathers were considered equal then this could happen, but they are not! The child would automatically stay with the mother, as it should be, whether you like it or not. *If* it ends up in the family courts and *if* both parents can offer the child the same level of care, then yes the child could have it's primary care provided by it's father. Edit: Removed "whether you like it or not" because it sounded sarcastic.
Kelly Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 most unlikely to happen though because the father would know he wouldnt be seen as the best choice for a newborn so he wouldnt even try. hense my saying men are not equals in the eyes of the law whether you like it ot not! Try it. ring up a lawyer and say you had a one night stand and the girl is pregnant and you want to care for the baby. Ask what your chances would be!
Stavros Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 You're unlikely to be married to someone that you have a one night stand with. Stav.
Kelly Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 whats marriage got to do with it? I am making the point that mothers and fathers are not seen as equals in the parenting status.
Stavros Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 Just about as much as a one night stand has to do with it! They may appear more equal if they're married. Stav.
Gibbet Posted August 16, 2004 Author Posted August 16, 2004 Firstly, I'm glad to see we have a healthy debate. Kelly, have you ever considered becoming a Court Welfare Officer (UK equivalant to CAFCASS). The Court Welfare Officer writes the reports the Court bases their final decision on. You sound qualified for the Job, you have had about as much relevant training (and the right attidude) as the current Court Welfare Officers working in the Isle of Man. However, at least the Court Welfare Officer in the Isle of Man is a qualified Probation Officer! - *so this means he/she is an authority in regard to family matters and children (NOT)* Good parenting is not an issue of Gender. Your feminist talk is not better than male chauvinism. Surely as a women you want equal rights.....in some cultures women are denied education, medical treatment, food, free speech (Try living in some parts of Asia). Last week, I went to a Father 4 Justice meeting, I meet loads of people all in the same boat as me. I took the time to speak to a women who had been denied the right to her kid, because her exe made false allegations about her. F4J is for any parent wanting equal rights in family law. In relation to "40% of all fathers (separated/divorced) lose contact with there children withing 2 years" - The moment I separated from my exe, my advocate at the time wrote to her requesting I retained contact with my kids. This letter was ignored and so was subsequent letters and Orders. Justice is Coming...........
Bill Posters Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 Good parenting is not an issue of Gender. Your feminist talk is not better than male chauvinism. Concise and correct.
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