Minnie Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 the idea behind council houses is not purely so that skint people can get a house though. It was so that people who don't want to buy or waste money on rent can have somewhere to live and if they could then afford holidays then good. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What???!!! I don't particularly like paying £100's on my mortgage each month, maybe the council will give me a house if I tell them I'd rather pay them pennies a month so I can buy a brand spanking new car and holiday in the Carribean 3 times a year? I don't think so!
monkey_magic Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 the idea behind council houses is not purely so that skint people can get a house though. Or at least it wasn't originally maybe it should be now.It was so that people who don't want to buy or waste money on rent can have somewhere to live <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And the idea behind the dole is that people who want to watch Trisha every day can also afford to go to the pub at night. Right?
ykstarr Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 i have a hard time with how council housing works over here - once you're in, you're never out. the amount of shiny new cars, motorbikes, scooters, etc outside of these houses is appauling. there definitely should be means testing. in northern canada, you submit your pay stub each month and your rent is based on how much you are making. so basically if you have got a big fancy job making loads of money and can easily afford rent privately or own a house, its time for you to move out of assisted housing because you'll get dinged big time for it. maybe something that needs to be looked at in the IOM.
Kelly Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 what I meant was that they were for ordinary working people not rich people but working class people who don't want to buy
WilDDog Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 the idea behind council houses is not purely so that skint people can get a house though. Or at least it wasn't originally maybe it should be now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What a load of absolute tosh. I take it your post was a wind up. Council houses were built for people that couldn't afford a roof over their heads. y The people and families that couldn't afford to feed their children or themselves they depended on handouts and had to eat from soup kitchens. When clothes and shoes were handed down to brothers, sisters, cousins, friends. The times when parents and children were thankful for them.
Minnie Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 what I meant was that they were for ordinary working people not rich people but working class people who don't want to buy <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If most of us working class people thought we would qualify for local authority housing just because we didn't want to fork out for a mortgage, I'm sure we'd all have our names on the housing list.
WilDDog Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 what I meant was that they were for ordinary working people not rich people but working class people who don't want to buy <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's the whole point, if ordinary working people can afford it they should buy or rent from the private sector and not take Local Government housing away from the people who truly need them.
Kelly Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 Look that is what they are for. Any normal working person can apply for one. A single person pulling in £23k a year can even over here where we are more stringent. That is why some of the tennants are affording big cars and stuff. The houses are allocated according to need if there is a shortage and there usualy is. What I am saying is that the idea behind council houses (affordable housing for working class) should be changed into cheap housing for those in need.
WilDDog Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 What I am saying is that the idea behind council houses (affordable housing for working class) should be changed into cheap housing for those in need That's what they are supposed to be already though.
Ripsaw Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 The planning Dept. should pull their fingers out of their arses and seriously reduce the ammount of time wasted between plans being submitted and approved/declined. Right to buy should be introduced at current "first time buyer" price on a sliding scale for different sized properties in line with market values-no further discounts for length of tennency as per the UK. Income from sales should be used to offset the costs of a couple of mixed residential estates including local ammenities. Numbers should be built to relieve the waiting lists (in addition to current "replacement" developments such as Lower Pulrose). Rents on the properties of those who wish to keep renting should be uped to a realistic modern cost reflecting the true costs of suppling the property, maintenaince and housing stock development. Measures should be in place to protect those genuinely on lower incomes. The Island should open a University, Old Nobles should be converted/rebuilt as student digs. blah blah blah etc. etc.
joeyconcrete Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 When applying for a council house, it should work in the inverse-way a mortgage application is weighted. Rent should be based on income tiered up to the market-rate. When their repayments are at the market rate they should be moved on. When someone is paying near-market rate payments, they may decide to move on themselves because the cheap rent is no longer an attraction. It p1sses me off when I pay a substantial mortgate and cant afford new cars and numerous holidays, then there's some n00b paying limited rent, has lots of holidays and lots of cars.. Fortunately I was brought up with the idea that council houses were for people that 'needed' them, in the unlikely event i was offered one I'd refuse on the basis that I'm in position where I can afford a non-council house and it should be given to someone else. Other things to note. - How do Council houses handle co-habitants (skint girlfriend paying rent, $$$ rich partner moves in). - Do Manx people have priority over non-Manx people when applying for council houses? - Can you "give" your council house to someone else. I'm sure i've heard stories of someones gran dying, or family moving and they've managed to move into that house (perhaps by blagging the authority that they were living there too)? When someone is shifted on because of means testing, it'd be interesting to see they're arguments (eh We cant go on our holidays now, we cant afford the repayments on our Lexus)
Kelly Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 I don't agree with right to buy on council houses, it doesnt seem to have done much good in the UK. Just depletes supply and means more have to be aquired.I'm suprised to see someone suggesting a new residential estate as it seems that we have plenty of houses and flats and more are being built all the time. There is no shortage in the estate agents window.
Slim Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 Ripsaw for president! It seems a lot of people are dissatisfied with the way this is handled, anyone fancy putting a global letter to mhk's together that we can all send in to our own?
joeyconcrete Posted August 16, 2004 Posted August 16, 2004 I wouldnt be surprised if half of Tynwald lived in Council houses B)
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