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2 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

It just seems like the same old bullshit to me.  "I know of several".  How many times do you post that guff to try and validate your point?

This is from a poster who doesn’t want to know the truth about anything apparently as stated above 🙃 So why does it concern you when someone posts some truth about a situation you don’t like? It’s just an opportunity to stir. Nothing else. Some students didn’t get the email as the email address they had was incorrect. Fact. 

3 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

I always think when you post this sort of thing you are simply making it up.

Why would you think that? I know of several students who never got the email and who contacted the department to find that they had an out of date email address. Some probably also went to spam etc. That will explain why some didn’t reply. To suggest people didn’t reply just because they don’t care is simply being an idiot. Apparently you dont want to know the truth anyway so why does it concern you so much? 

3 minutes ago, Gladys said:

So why post it?  Just more scaremongering. 

That’s why. Hissingsid bleats the same covid hysteria all over social media. 

1 minute ago, hissingsid said:

but it is disappointing that so many could not take a minute to reply to a government department that is genuinely trying to assist with accommodation and any other problems.

Many didn’t even get the email so I hear as the DESC had the wrong email addresses on file. 

23 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

Leaving the term student to and side it is a large group of people who are coming over in a relatively short period of time. 

You mean like “key workers” who can come and go and not self-isolate and go about their business digging holes in the prom just wearing masks and different coloured hats for a week or so? You seem to be worrying in completely the wrong place to justify your Daily Mail fueled student hating. 

Many people who have managed their own risks right from the start of this just want to be told the truth so they can take the best action in order to continue to manage their own risks. It’s the same argument as testing. If we still had testing outputs and data from the 7 Day testing that was withdrawn people could decide whether to take that business trip, or take their kid back to Uni, based on the published transmission patterns from people who had visited U.K hotspots and tested positive or negative. But all of that has been denied Manx residents in favour of this eradication policy and suppressing information so people can’t make informed choices. When you can’t make informed choices you just have to accept the enforced belief that you can’t go anywhere and the can’t do anything as you might die of covid and you might bring covid back which will kill people. It’s all nonsense to be honest. Informed choice based on clear published scientific outputs was always the best way to go rather than living in a culture of manufactured fear and misinformation (or no information at all in many cases). It actually feeds the Facebook crazies more by removing actual facts to push back on them with.

1 minute ago, Nom de plume said:

I agree with much of this other than having the truth held back.

Be careful what you wish for.

I agree trying to stop the nutters melting down is no excuse for not telling the public the truth. But the strategy being adopted makes it clear that calming the Facebook Karen’s down is the overriding objective and strategy of our government. It has been from the start leading to a huge perceived lack of honesty from those who understand the issues and just want to be kept informed so they can best manage their own risks. 

2 minutes ago, NoTail said:

I see this as an opportunity.  We are a small community,  with good communication we can identify quickly all contacts, trace and test, and eradicate the outbreak. To do this would mean support from all, and I think that would be willingly given if the opportunity was available. 

Yes a good old witch hunt is exactly what we need and what will be prescribed by government. Crank all the nutters up into a hysterical rage and let’s flush out anyone who has been somewhere else ever or anyone who knows anyone who has been somewhere else ever and put them in a quarantine hotel for 6 months! 

5 minutes ago, Banker said:

No one believes anything Howie comes out with 

It’s not HQ specifically it’s Cabinet Office denialism. They seem to be just as scared as the Facebook Karen’s and very deeply entrenched. 

Looks like even the best are confused 

2 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said:

Don't like the look of this, worth a quick read.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-54906644

Giving those clowns more power is not a good idea.

Considering our Minister for Policy and Reform is a total bell-end that’s worrying. Where was the public debate around this? 

13 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Apparently the briefing for tomorrow has been moved to 7:55 in the morning. 

You using VPN and it’s time zone converting. Says 3:55 to everyone else. 

Just now, pongo said:

A lot of people are still making completely unnecessary trips away. 

To do what exactly in your widespread experience? 

29 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Fuck off with your obscurification and semantics and tell the fucking truth.

1 minute ago, Jacka$$ said:

Bet they can’t wait for Moulton’s questions tomorrow

I don't know why as he hasn’t got the balls to ask any difficult questions. He just needles them like some sad girls blouse. 

4 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

Can anyone explain why there's tge hysteria about whether there's community cases or not?

I think because if people think it’s not “on the loose” they can’t catch it so they can sit at home polishing their pitchfork for another week. 

20 minutes ago, NoTailT said:

Contact tracing of an existing case that came from off Island and they’re positive?

So does that mean these 2 new cases were community transmission then if it came about through contact tracing?

Based on what I’ve heard from multiple people today, this really doesn’t stack up.

I have to say I too am struggling to understand how people who clearly caught it away, who came back on a communal boat or plane with other people, who got on a communal bus, in a communal taxi, or in a communal car with family or friends and then went home, and who were subsequently traced from common communal contacts who had the infection are not counted as communal cases. It seems that the minute you go home and shut your door your not in the community anymore despite the fact you picked up the infection in the community and others you interacted with have caught it too. 

20 minutes ago, Banker said:

But we won’t use any type of test in case it shows a positive case and the Facebook mob cause panic,why are we so out of line with every other country?

It’s very clear the Facebook Karen’s are driving the agenda and a lot of the kneejerk policy here. We’ve had the option to revert to science driven approaches and slightly loosen border controls and up testing several times now to no avail. Which makes the lack of any official context around the death being published even more perplexing

5 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

They've already released the non personal details.

They haven’t really. They’ve said someone has died of COVID-19 when it may well be that someone has died after testing positive for COVID-19. There is a very big difference there which I’m sure would be beneficial for them to clarify given some of the things being said and presented as “fact” on social media.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/person-on-island-dies-from-covid-19/

19 minutes ago, Cambon said:

It is up to the family to decide when information is released, not the government. Relatives have to be informed, etc. 

Calm down, Karen!

As Roger Mexico clearly said you don’t need anyone’s permission for non personal details to be released Karen. 

Just now, tetchtyke said:

The maximum fine here is £10,000, and a judge has to issue that. Nobody has had the maximum fine.

No they’ve all had prison instead 🙃

11 minutes ago, tetchtyke said:

UK police can fine people £10,000 as a *fixed penalty notice*, and have been doing gleefully this week, including fining an 18yo lad ten grand because his house party got gatecrashed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8852201/Family-18-year-old-hit-10-000-Covid-fine-refuse-pay-penalty-blame-drunk-gatecrashers.html

So much for the Manx laws being harsh!

That’s not harsh at all compared to here. 

20 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

The Government's problem is they they went from "No one's in hospital with Covid" to "Someone's died in hospital with Covid" very quickly.  People tend not to die from Covid very quickly - it can take weeks, even months to kill people.  There may be all sorts of ways of explaining it, but they need to do so or people are going to come up with all sorts of mad theories.

My exact point. It needs concise direct and honest PR to address these points before people go mad(der) and make stuff up and panic spreads. 

1 minute ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

I'm not sure we constantly have to pander to nutters.

The IOMs entire strategy so far and the main reason for our overly penal border restrictions and other matters seems to be in order to specifically pander to nutters. So why is this so different? It’s irresponsible to allow nutters to spread hysteria and false information without having a robust PR strategy to properly counter it by keeping the public accurately informed. 

1 minute ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

It's clear as day and the statement couldn't be clearer. 

Yeah right. That’s why there’s huge internet speculation out there which is pretty unhelpful to government in the overall scheme of things and probably unhelpful to the family affected as well having loonies speculate about various conspiracies surrounding the reporting of hospital admissions.