3 minutes ago, slinkydevil said:

I'll have a go for £10

You’re going to have to go higher than that I’m afraid. Not even close.🙂

6 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

"Everyone's a prostitute"

Well I’m not.
But for the right money I may be persuaded.

6 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

I am surprised that the issue of 'sovereignty' has not raised its head yet as this "prize" is worth paying anything for in the minds of certain people.  

We are going over old ground here again but you really don’t get it.

Sovereignty is not a “ prize” it is something that each nation should hold dear and in many cases have literally, fought for and lost lives for. Be that the UK , France, Germany , Latvia, Lithuania etc. All should have the overriding right to govern their own affairs.

If it’s mutually beneficial to enter into agreements, trade or whatever with another party ( ies) then great, do it. Let’s work together

But what may suit one nation or culture may not suit another and to try and shoehorn 27 disparate countries into one way of doing things (“ ever closer union”) is not something the UK found palatable. 

I don’t understand why this concept is hard for some to understand.

5 hours ago, RecklessAbandon said:

The worst of it is when people say "oh we won't see the benefits for years/decades to come" they are the ones who will not be too adversely be affected, but the poor mugs who believed them in the poorest areas of the country will be hit the hardest.

"Contempt for the conman, concern for the conned"

Maybe this might help:-

8 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said:

Unlike the Brexit regretful, I won't fall for pointless waffle.

Did you have an actual point to make?

Well maybe just that you should chill a little.

8 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said:

Get over it?  People had rights and privileges snatched away from them by a portion of the country that had no idea A) what they were voting for or B) the true outcomes of the outcome of their decision.

We are going to be feeling the negative affects for generations, and you want to "get over it"

Sadly, contrary to your hopeful wishing, there is countless hours of callers like this person.

You only have to go on Youtube and type "brexit regrets" to see plenty of those who though they were "sticking it to the toffs" only to later realise they were only shooting themselves in the foot.

 

Some ancient wisdom for you:-

Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let not this blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.

Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.
 

--- Translated by Max Ehrmann, 1927

--- Author unknown

5 minutes ago, La Colombe said:

Get over it! Lol. Remember this?

 

Yes get over it.

Take any General Election manifesto from any party and you can always put your own interpretation of it, picking holes in it after the event. There’s still a lot to be done. You can’t undo forty years of subservience in an instance and yes mistakes have been made along the way.

We were at one time promised a golden future within the EU. Well that didn’t happen did it?

 

2 hours ago, Declan said:

Yeah, as a general rule. However some firms Barclays, for example, don’t have the apostrophe in their name. So style guides recommend following the company’s lead. 
 

Some firms don’t even use all their vowels:-

Investment house Standard Life Aberdeen has announced a new name - with most of its vowels removed.

The firm said its new name "Abrdn" would still be pronounced "Aberdeen", but that the rebrand would make it "modern" and "dynamic".

In a video posted on Twitter, it said the "A" would be taken from "Standard Life", rather than Aberdeen.

The decision drew some jokes online from those who were not impressed by the name change.

"Our new brand Abrdn builds on our heritage and is modern, dynamic and, most importantly, engaging for all of our client and customer channels," said chief executive Stephen Bird.

56 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said:

So another Brexit Bingo term I am hearing on listening back to the "Brexit idiot best bits" of LBC is this:

"I voted Leave to show those in government what I think about them because they don't care about us (caller is usually from a 'poorer' area in the North)".

Well you really showed the multi-millionaires Rees-Mogg, Johnson and Farage (as well as their wealthy non-dom financial backers) a thing or two.

How is the worsening situation in your area after voting to Leave (ignoring that fact that the Tories have been in power for 80 of the last 120 year)?

 

Like this post, and a lot of the mutterings from PK there seems to be an awful lot of conflation between the Tory Party woes and the Brexit vote itself.

Yes one may have begat the other but they are two distinct issues.

I guess we are fortunate in that it was as a result of the divisions in the Tory party the people got the chance to have their say on the UK,’s continuing membership of the EU.

But once the referendum was announced it was all about whether the electorate wanted to stay or leave, not to give the Government a bloody nose, (despite your quote from one uninformed lone caller quoted in your second paragraph)

Anyway the people spoke and voted to Leave, however much those in the Remain camp want to ascribe it to racism, ignorance or whatever. 

Surely time now for you to get over it?

Just now, finlo said:

Well it wasn't me that said it but I know what it was about at the time.

Well you may know what it was about but posting cryptic comments on here doesn’t help the rest of us. Have no idea what you’re talking about.

2 minutes ago, finlo said:

It never gained wheels because one party had dirt on the other.

Well so you say, but have you any evidence or is it just part of your anti establishment stance?

I am not saying you are  wrong but your “ it never gained wheels because one party had dirt on the other” needs a bit more substance behind it if you are to be taken seriously.

8 minutes ago, finlo said:

What it says.

It doesn’t say anything meaningful 

29 minutes ago, asitis said:

Could this be the power station all over again, where nothing happened because of what one party knew about the other !

What on earth does that mean?

33 minutes ago, jackwhite said:

Hopefully it's the rocket up the backside Government needs to actually do something about hospitality. Otherwise this is going to become a regular occurrence and you'll be left with nowhere to go. 

Eh, a pub closes and it’s the rocket up the backside the Government needs to actually do something about hospitality?

I don’t get that. What should the Government “ do” about hospitality. It’s an industry like any other.

We used to have places that would sell music CD,s Shocks, HMV and more recently WH Smith. Dealz had a manky selection of refurbished ones, (not sure if they sell them anymore) . But you can’t buy locally anymore.What should the Government do about that?

Anyway in terms of licensed premises, you’ll always have somewhere to go. HOPS for example

3 hours ago, Max Power said:

I must say that I find it strange that you see concern as hate?

Me too. 

1 minute ago, Anthony Ingham said:

That is rubbish.

The fireworks happen once a year at a set time.

Walking to the tower of refuge is doable several times a year, like yesterday, twice, when the tide was lower.

OK , you crack on then.

26 minutes ago, Anthony Ingham said:

You will need to explain.

The “community event” means standing around and lining up, and not having the ability to explore the place properly when you get there because it’s full of other people.

You can go there safely and pretty much on your own many times in a year, in fact at least 8 this week.

I don’t get the attraction, which is why I asked the question.

The “community event “ aspect of it all means you get a chance to meet like minded people, have a chat etc. People are attracted to events like this for those reasons. Plus of course at such an organised event ( say like fireworks on November 5th) provision is made for any emergency contingencies. As pointed out visiting the Tower can be slippy. 

By all means make your own arrangements for a trek out to the rock. But should things turn out a bit wrong and you require the assistance of the emergency services ( including the RNLI ) I trust you would recompense them for any financial expenses incurred, and a bit on top for the inconvenience.

2 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Isn't there already a glaring, say 73% 'None of the above' with such as a 27% turnout?

So you're essentially dealing with the same question...should the 73% actually mean something in a democracy?

Should for example a 51% or greater vote turnout count, and a 49% turnout means the vote is deemed 'none of the above'.

Worst case, the current system could technically get you voted in with 1 vote - from yourself or no votes given too few candidates (totally undemocratic).

Would a 'none of the above' option actually increase turnout by very much in reality?

 

 

I think things are fine as they are.

People have the opportunity to stand for election and voters have the opportunity to vote for them ( or not vote at all). As long as both of these opportunities  exist I can’t think of a better system

If you get voted in with one vote, be that your own or someone else’s thats not un democratic.
 

1 minute ago, Anthony Ingham said:

Or spoil your paper.

Just not turning up won’t even register 

And? 
 

The result will still be the same

7 hours ago, piebaps said:

 

You can always tell when a jet full of English* have landed. The whining continues after the engines stop.

 

The Australians would like their joke back if that’s OK

6 minutes ago, Billy the Kid said:

How would we go about getting the phrase “ None of the above” added to the polling ticket for the next General Election?

Well you don’t need to. 

If that’s how you feel save yourself a trip to the polling station and just don’t vote. 
 

Simples.

3 minutes ago, 2112 said:

Following in the family tradition is Sarah Maltby Douglas South MHK, daughter of Ex Minister David Cretney, who has shared with the newspapers readers her top 10 favourite tunes. Enough said. 

Is “Papa don’t Preach” amongst them?

39 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

 

I will remind you both that the last two Prime Ministers in the UK have never led their party in a General Election. 

Liz Truss keeps babbling about the "blob".  Apparently a shadowy group who are not democratically elected who really control the UK Parliament (post Brexit!).

The current PM is clinging to power and delaying a general election despite the fact that his Government and party is a complete shambles and in the last two weeks two Conservative MPs have defected to Labour.

The current Home Secretary isn't an MP at all and hasn't been for many years.  Instead they were given a peerage to enable them to take up the post.

There was also Zach Goldsmith who was given a peerage so he could remain in his post as Minister of State despite not being an elected MP.

Rather makes a mockery of the notion that the UK is having its laws determined by a democratically elected Government doesn't it?

Not really no.

The UK makes it’s laws under the rules it has set itself, not by a third party.

The current parlous state of the Tory party has no bearing on the issue of self determination. Within and without the EU many governing parties are in a similar position 

The fact that the last two Prime Ministers have never led their  party in a General Election is neither here nor there.There is no obligation for them to have done so. No doubt this situation has happened, and could happen, in other countries.

Yes two democratically Tory MP’s have defected to Labour recently as is their prerogative. I’m not sure where you are going with this, particularly in relation to Brexit.

Giving individuals peerages to enable them to accede to, or remain in a post, however undesirable it may be thought is a procedure formulated by the UK itself not forced upon it by a collection of other countries.

So no mockery made.

6 minutes ago, lfc84 said:

Airport website is still shit 

Airport is still shit

1 hour ago, manxman1980 said:

Doesn't that just highlight the point we were making?  The ideal question would have been "Should the UK remain in the EU or leave based on << Insert one realistic and deliverable option>>

OK if you’re only giving one option.

” Should the UK remain or leave the EU, based on the UK having its own domestic laws determined by a democratically elected UK Parliament, taking precedence over an unelected body in Strasbourg or Brussels?”

But there’s plenty of other things to consider.

Yes as the holder of a Manx  ( UK) passport holder it was great to go through and visit  the EU countries almost seamlessly. But not at the expense of surrendering sovereignty ( “ ever closer union”)

I love visiting Europe. It’s got a lot to offer. And Europeans seem to love visiting. the UK. I think we have a good relationship. We don’t need to morph into one big superstate. As I have said before “ Vive la difference” Let’s celebrate that.