The Voice of Reason

You’re going to have to go higher than that I’m afraid. Not even close.🙂

Well I’m not. But for the right money I may be persuaded.

We are going over old ground here again but you really don’t get it. Sovereignty is not a “ prize” it is something that each nation should hold dear and in many cases have literally, fought for and lost lives for. Be that the UK , France, Germany , Latvia, Lithuania etc. All should have the overriding right to govern their own affairs. If it’s mutually beneficial to enter into agreements, trade or whatever with another party ( ies) then great, do it. Let’s work together But what may suit one nation or culture may not suit another and to try and shoehorn 27 disparate countries into one way of doing things (“ ever closer union”) is not something the UK found palatable. I don’t understand why this concept is hard for some to understand.

Maybe this might help:- If— BY RUDYARD KIPLIN If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies, Or being hated, don’t give way to hating, And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream—and not make dreams your master; If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’ If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch, If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it, And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

Well maybe just that you should chill a little.

Some ancient wisdom for you:- Desiderata

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Like this post, and a lot of the mutterings from PK there seems to be an awful lot of conflation between the Tory Party woes and the Brexit vote itself. Yes one may have begat the other but they are two distinct issues. I guess we are fortunate in that it was as a result of the divisions in the Tory party the people got the chance to have their say on the UK,’s continuing membership of the EU. But once the referendum was announced it was all about whether the electorate wanted to stay or leave, not to give the Government a bloody nose, (despite your quote from one uninformed lone caller quoted in your second paragraph) Anyway the people spoke and voted to Leave, however much those in the Remain camp want to ascribe it to racism, ignorance or whatever. Surely time now for you to get over it?

Well you may know what it was about but posting cryptic comments on here doesn’t help the rest of us. Have no idea what you’re talking about.

Well so you say, but have you any evidence or is it just part of your anti establishment stance? I am not saying you are wrong but your “ it never gained wheels because one party had dirt on the other” needs a bit more substance behind it if you are to be taken seriously.

It doesn’t say anything meaningful

What on earth does that mean?

Eh, a pub closes and it’s the rocket up the backside the Government needs to actually do something about hospitality? I don’t get that. What should the Government “ do” about hospitality. It’s an industry like any other. We used to have places that would sell music CD,s Shocks, HMV and more recently WH Smith. Dealz had a manky selection of refurbished ones, (not sure if they sell them anymore) . But you can’t buy locally anymore.What should the Government do about that? Anyway in terms of licensed premises, you’ll always have somewhere to go. HOPS for example

Me too.

OK , you crack on then.

The “community event “ aspect of it all means you get a chance to meet like minded people, have a chat etc. People are attracted to events like this for those reasons. Plus of course at such an organised event ( say like fireworks on November 5th) provision is made for any emergency contingencies. As pointed out visiting the Tower can be slippy. By all means make your own arrangements for a trek out to the rock. But should things turn out a bit wrong and you require the assistance of the emergency services ( including the RNLI ) I trust you would recompense them for any financial expenses incurred, and a bit on top for the inconvenience.

I think things are fine as they are. People have the opportunity to stand for election and voters have the opportunity to vote for them ( or not vote at all). As long as both of these opportunities exist I can’t think of a better system If you get voted in with one vote, be that your own or someone else’s thats not un democratic.

And? The result will still be the same

The Australians would like their joke back if that’s OK

Well you don’t need to. If that’s how you feel save yourself a trip to the polling station and just don’t vote. Simples.

Is “Papa don’t Preach” amongst them?

Not really no. The UK makes it’s laws under the rules it has set itself, not by a third party. The current parlous state of the Tory party has no bearing on the issue of self determination. Within and without the EU many governing parties are in a similar position The fact that the last two Prime Ministers have never led their party in a General Election is neither here nor there.There is no obligation for them to have done so. No doubt this situation has happened, and could happen, in other countries. Yes two democratically Tory MP’s have defected to Labour recently as is their prerogative. I’m not sure where you are going with this, particularly in relation to Brexit. Giving individuals peerages to enable them to accede to, or remain in a post, however undesirable it may be thought is a procedure formulated by the UK itself not forced upon it by a collection of other countries. So no mockery made.

Airport is still shit

OK if you’re only giving one option. ” Should the UK remain or leave the EU, based on the UK having its own domestic laws determined by a democratically elected UK Parliament, taking precedence over an unelected body in Strasbourg or Brussels?” But there’s plenty of other things to consider. Yes as the holder of a Manx ( UK) passport holder it was great to go through and visit the EU countries almost seamlessly. But not at the expense of surrendering sovereignty ( “ ever closer union”) I love visiting Europe. It’s got a lot to offer. And Europeans seem to love visiting. the UK. I think we have a good relationship. We don’t need to morph into one big superstate. As I have said before “ Vive la difference” Let’s celebrate that.